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The question isn't whether Atlantis really existed, but when it will rise from its ocean grave, as the [Edgar Cayce] readings assured us will happen. - Dan Campbell

Putting it straight. Dan Campbell writes as a believer, but Edgar Cayce himself believed his deep-sleep statements should be taken into account to the extent that they led to a better life for the recipient: "Does it make one a better husband, a better businessman, a better neighbour, a better artist, a better churchman? If so, cleave to it; if not, reject it." Further, he invited his audience to test his suggestions rather than accept them on faith.

Dr Rudolf Steiner, who also talks of Atlantis - there is a book about it by him -, says in a quite similar vein in Theosophy: "He who is unwilling to trust to the power of thinking cannot, in fact, enlighten himself regarding higher spiritual facts."

For all that, and for the lack of good evidence of much that these two clairvoyants tell, What they tell is surrounded by believers. There is no denying of that. The believer may be right or wrong or on a different path. The research-minded fellow, on the other hand, may have to go through so much material in search for verified facts that he may not find time for much else.

Where was Plato's Atlantis? "In Plato's mind," is the first answer. Added to it, the tales of some clairvoyants is that there once lay a continent where the Atlantic Ocean is now, and that it was the bottom of that ocean that once was Atlantis, somewhere between 1,000,000 - 9,600 BCE. Where did they get such ideas from? And did they hook up to the ideas of one another in murky ways that were far off any physical evidence. It seems so.

There is no scientific support of a continent where Rudolf Steiner and others have claimed it to have been. Is that a problem? To some it is not. [Cf. No Atlantic Atlantis evidence]

Recent archaelogical findings on the Greek Santorini island, compared with evidence found in the temple of Luxor in Egypt, support perhaps ten out of twelve or fourteen or so of the descriptions of Atlantis. Many significant geographical features are found to match Plato's descriptions somehow. However, several things do not fit. One of them is Plato's description of it as outside the cliffs of Gibraltar. Another is that Plato writes there were a great number of elephants in the island. That calls for a checkup, and so does Plato's description of a special metal there, orichalcum.

Let us check a little: The dwarf elephant existed on Cyprus and some other Mediterranean island:

The Cyprus dwarf elephant (Palaeoloxodon cypriotes) is an extinct species of elephant related to the living Asian elephant. . . . It is thought the Cyprus dwarf elephant came during the last Ice Age. They were only about 1 meter tall. . . . Extinction for the Cyprus dwarf elephant came around 11,000 BC. . . .

Its estimated body weight was only some 200 kilogrammes.

Finds of whole or partial skeletons of this elephant are very rare. [◦Cyprus dwarf elephant]

Extinct around 11,000 - about the same time as Plato's Atlantis, but many thousands of years before the volcanic eruption of Thera (today's Santorini). Possible, plausible, or without real proof value?

Orichalcum: Wikipedia has an article about that, too . . . It could be an alloy consisting of 75-80 percent copper, 15-20 percent zinc, and smaller percentages of nickel, lead and iron. Old and new speculation about this material abounds.[◦Orichalcum]

There are admittedly no found signs of living elephants on Santorini at 1600 BCE! But many confirmations indicate "In his haze we are in, Santorini and other islands look good, at least to some: "I'm putting all my money that the lost civilization of Atlantis is right here," Dr Martin Pepper says toward the end of a documentary, "Atlantis Found", a History Channel production that seeks to check if Plato's Atlantis could be the island of Santorini, ancient Thera, which was terribly harmed by a volcanic eruption around 1620 BCE. The next question to tackle could be: "How much money does he have?"

On the other hand, the way the sea floor of the Atlantic Ocean is made, by slowly moving tectonic plates - and how they move -, does not make it likely at all that Atlantis was there. "No way," is the fit response to that claim from clairvoyants or whatever we call them - in this case it might be "guessoants". Guess what, they were wrong. [Cf. Atlantic Ocean findings]

"Guessoants" yield power and give followers problems. What can we learn from the writings on Atlantis by clairvoyants or "guessoants"? 'Guessoant' is a new word, I think. There is an o in it so that is not confused with the surnames Guessant and Guessiant, as a matter of courtesy. What we may learn depends on our capacity. Compare the Asian poem The Journey Abroad:

Home he returned
after having seen
all he could understand.

(A rendition)

Sorting things out

First, much depends on how we look at things and how much leeway we allow for, and further. But there are some who say they have it right when it is wrong, and get followers too. That is an interesting field of persuasion, group psychology mechanisms and brainwashing to explore to some. (Zimbardo)

Second, behind tales that people tell or believe in or both, there are things of interest, as the popular tales probably play on id (libido) - something in the minds of men, women and children alike. Sigmund Fred, Carl Gustav Jung and follower of both have looked into other old, Greek tales and come up with insights that might prove helpful to modern man. The old tales of Oedipus and Electra served such distorted views. "You think Oedipus had problems? Adam was the mother of Eve. (Unknown)" Should not Freud, an Austrian Jew, have taken a close look at the Bible's Adam too - and why not "my father and grandfather is one". "My mother was born of a man" - such existential problems -

Could Atlantis have symbolic value to some? One all-round definition of art is: Art is what is presented as art." Say the same about symbols, and you may hit the nail on the head too, for symbols among humans are to a large extent what humans regard as symbols. Often, behind a belief is a symbol, or perhaps a modified symbol or symbol system. Symbols may require caution if they get woven into life in some decisive way. Perhaps your grandmother could weave blankets and thereby weave her way on and up also. The art of weaving strands of fit symbols into the loom of life is not too much different, all in all - not to me, at any rate.



Now let us talk about Skyland - Numbers at the end of some paragraphs refer to Edgar Cayce Readings about Atlantis.

LoTemple practices

Howdy Skyland was abandoned after 200 000 years or more, owing to harming forces that had been set in motion by the sons of Jumbler Gasbag. 1215-4

And in ancient Skyland there were temples, not all were very different from Norse pagan temples, hovs, where much copulation was attempted and managed. Statues of gods like Frigg and Thor with erected penises are attributed to that practice. 1799-1. [MORE]

Copulation has now become a part of civilisation too. 1215-4

LoCrystals may be bought and even found in some places

Swell crystal use made Jumbler Gasbag selfish, and selfish men can often get angry over trifles.

It might pay to assert every night in bed: "You can have beautiful buildings" - or "Have fine buildings; after all Edgar Cayce says that "Skylanders" found out how to have them." What is more, they loved buildings of granite - so it is not likely humans will run empty of it this year. 436-2

In a very rocky country it might pay to get unusually skilled in aircraft and in water-craft, as an aviator and a navigator, just to keep in touch. In Skyland they could keep in touch with other lands through the forces of nature like that - I just render. 1215-4

There came harmful sons on the Skyland scene - the "sons" of Jumbler Gasbag and their smog, so to speak. Things didn't go well after sunlight was crystallised by a crystal which arranged the motivative forces around itself (!) 877-26

The sons of Jumbler Gasbag brought about harmful, deranging forces in the attempts to destroy much animal life as well. Thereby they caused harm on mental and spiritual levels. As a result, some rose into power without integrity, to be gates of mankind. That is why many Skylanders later came to sail through the air to Spain, Egypt and Asia. They emigrated because wicked sons of Jumbler Gasbag in Skyland used divine forces to gratify selfish desires, and natural forces mobilised or materialised against it. 1378-1, 1799-1, 3633-1

LoAnd don't forget Ohio

Other Skylanders made for Yucatan in Mexico and Guatemala, others paved their way to what is known as Inca country, others sailed on to North America: the upper eastern portion of Ohio. Oi oi, what a story! 1215-4, 5, 1215-4.


So what can we lean from Atlantis yarn? IN SUM

  1. Good temple practices are fit for life.
  2. Fine crystals - polished and others - may be bought and arranged and put into vases and the like to brighten our fare and everydays.
  3. Understand there are differences among experts, including of opinion as to who built the mounds of Ohio too. Choose the real experts to be better off, actually. They don't speak a lot from what they greatly believe, all of them - at least they study facts first, and hard facts.

IN NUCEPractice well polished understanding where you are, and you may fit in more easily.

Jumbler Gasbag of Skyland, Literature  

Biedermann, Hans. Dictionary of Symbolism. Tr. James Hulbert. Oxford, UK: Facts On File. 1992.

Blau, Tatjana and Mirabai. Buddhistische Symbole. Darmstadt: Schirner Verlag, 1999.

Cayce, Hugh L., ed. Edgar Cayce on Atlantis. Reissue ed. New York: Warner Books, 1999. ⍽▢⍽ Where was Atlantis? Good proof that it was outside Gibraltar may be a hard find.

Delamater, John D., and Daniel J. Myers. Social Psychology. 7th ed. Belmont, CA: Cengage Learning, 2011.

Drye, Willie. Atlantis - True Story or Cautionary Tale? Tampa, FL: National Geographic Society, 1996–2016.

Hall, James. Dictionary of Subjects and Symbols in Art. New York: Harper and Row, 1974.

Hall, James. Illustrated Dictionary of Symbols in Eastern and Western Art. Ill. Chris Puleston. Paperback ed. Boulder, CO: Westview Press, 1996.

Goldwater, Robert. Symbolism. Oxford, UK: Westview Press, 1998.

Hannah, Barbara. The Archetypal Symbolism of Animals: Lectures Given at the C. G. Jung Institute, Zurich, 1954/1958. Ed. David Eldred. Wilmette, IL: Chiron Publications, 2006.

Jung, Carl Gustav et al, eds. Man and his Symbols. New York: Anchor Press, 1964.

Little, Gregory L., Lora Little, and John Van Auken. Edgar Cayce's Atlantis. Virginia Beach, VA: A.R.E Press, 2006. ⍽▢⍽ Inconclusive findings abound. Has Atlantis risen yet?

May, Rollo, ed. Symbolism in Religion and Literature. New York: George Braziller, 1961.

Steiner, Rudolf. Atlantis: The Fate of a Lost Land and its Secret Knowledge. Forest Row, East Sussex: Rudolf Steiner Press, 2001. ⍽▢⍽ Steiner's placement of Atlantis does not seem to fit.

Zimbardo, Philip. The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil. Paperback Edition. New York: Random House, 2000.

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