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- Learning a Bit
- A Dog Fight for Some Bones of Experience T
- Nice Sayings
- Yogananda Guidelines for Running Discussion Boards
Learning a Bit
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| Wondering: "What could the observers learn?" |
Bastark, adding to it, "Why are people so much forced to the web to be able to express doubts, fears, and . . . If you just had listened and sincerely tried to improve SRF -"
Syd of Disappointment said, "I went through quite the same thing as you etch out, reporter. I grew to be aware of discrepancies or dissonances between things in the Autobiography of a Yogi and what happened. It was disconcerting. I left SRF for good. But had they listened to my gentle counsel, I could have stayed. I did not quit meditating, but left SRF. The lesson: SRF is to blame too - they may have suppressed some "deals of Yogananda" too, and give a highly idealised picture of the many-faceted guru. There is still room for explanations and comments.
"We should learn not to expect a perfect church, but find favourable sayings to claim and use. There was a drift in some of the guru's central teachings, and he also changed the kriya methods he spread. Knowledge of that should not be suppressed either, but shown fairly."
A Dog Fight for Some Bones of Experience
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| Parroting ones are occupied with getting and having, and strive to protect their various assets - |
Buddha teaches you not to give to undeserving ones. However, for the sake of the few he also says that healing matters may be dispensed to all.
Good Work is Called For
The Hindu teaching poem Bhagavad Gita says that very few seek Krishna, and fewer still arive: Less than one in a million find Krishna, it suggests. People should progress toward it anyhow, is the teaching. But don't expect very much of people, then, to the degree that the Gita's scenario holds some water. In Zen Buddhism, on the other hand, there are teachers, roshis, who say: "Out of ten disciples, ten should be enlightened." Here are the Gita's words:Out of many thousands among men, one may strive for perfection, and of those who have won perfection, hardly one knows me in truth [or in essence]. [Bhagavad Gita 7:3].
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| After telling the chance is "less than one in a million" to get all the way, some get awfully wealthy from speaking of short-cuts, like kriya yoga. |
We have seen through a series of complaints from what looks like ruining life experiences related to being an SRF member and later quitting and becoming a Christian, that is, a "sick sheep", as Jesus decreed. Figments and key points are put together quite as in a painting by Pablo Picasso. His seemingly crank or childish style was the best he could reach up to, he said. Picasso was one of the masters behind Cubism. The painters assembled facets of persons in new ways, and came up with often astonishing pictures, and so do we, only we paint in words, and have to be guarded.
One may enjoy Yogananda's
teachings although they fail - but it is better to enjoy and thank for what really
helps more and better
A. Why aren't Yogananda's teachings blazing when they failed me?
The cult SRF has never really swerved from Hinduism. The cult's upheld belief is that it is aligned with Jesus Christ against many of his key words against such a remote possibility. Get a modern, decent Bible to quote from instead of the half-antique they use in SRF and other conservative churches. By a modern bible translation you escape the intimidation of awkward language pushed onto you. [Cf. 1 Feb; 29 May 03; 2 Feb]I was one of those who were hooked into SRF over 30 years ago and got really bored. The first time the discrepancies between SRF's teachings and how I fared popped up, I should have quit. But I was far too kind and lenient and patiently waited for them to remedy errors I pointed out!
The membership became increasingly cramping. I could tell many stories. I knew many members in various European countries at the time. I wrote to the cult headquarters about by increasing problems, and did not like the replies I got. [LINK]. After 7-8 years as a member, I quit. And I never ask: "Why isn't Yogananda's teachings blazing a pathway for the masses?" For the fellowship turned out to be a blind alley ruled by a "mad monk". [Cf. 29 May 03; 4 Feb]
One is taught to launch affirmations into the Om sound - and that is much equal to praying. And at least in the 60s and 70s - those old days - there was a Horn of Plenty practice with saving and affirming - using a passage from the Old Testament in the focussing process. Not all instructions were understood by all. I recall Brother Bhaktananda telling us at the Hollywood Centre about someone who had been initiated in Kriya, but had not understood how to do it. He had done the preliminary exercises for kriya for 25 years before he had the check that showed it, and then only - after 25 years - he started to do the real kriyas (!) The moment he did them, he said, "Oh, I see a light . . . " Bhaktananda said with a smile.
Some don't master the teachings at any moment. Yogananda warned against finding faults with the tools - the kriya methods - it was rather the workmanship that was poor, he said. But Mumu meant otherwise: "The teachings failed me. So did the SRF institution." That's her opinion. [Cf. 4 Feb].
However, she goes too far when she writes: "There is NO way anyone can do everything the lessons tell you to do and be "normal". [Mumu, 4 Feb]. Normality is such a loose and uncertain concept. Well, she appears to blame the bulk of teachings and tenets. But back in Los Angeles in the very early 70s, we were informed by monastics that "if you do just one tenth of what is in the SRF Lessons, you will be saved." I understood that focusing on the best, most rewarding parts of the Lessons should pay off best - methods take us over and beyond much that is not essential, and do it for our good. That's how I understood it, and Yogananda teaches it too. But for all that sufferings and dangers hit me. In disgust I burnt all the SRF Lessons and all the Service Readings in a pretty salmon-red bonfire in our garden one day.
B. Death-bed wishes - enjoy them in advance if you can
Like Mumu I too seek peace in a simpler lifestyle. It may come with age anyhow. Like Mumu I struggled hard with Christianity issues against the SRF conformising teachings that are Hindu rooted. After leaving the cult, Mumu says she found "life in the word" of the Bible. But Christianity is for ill folks, implies the Bible, and "the healthy ones don't need a doctor." Real life is also a matter of taking heed full well "at any time", and a book - all the words in a book - may not help us cope well enough. But well ordered, carefully arranged and estimated, chosen points can help our living. "Then, what is needed is to live them. That is the issue. [Cf. 29 May 03; 4 Feb]Some results of SRF membership are similar, and some not: Where Mumu says she hasn't committed to a church of any religion after the cult experience, I started my own, recognising the many benefits. Not cynically, but open to benefits. And where Mumu says "I wish I could fine a conviction again [6 Feb]", my take was "Take that!" - a more life-affirming and parenting attitude, which is something to go for.
Mumu seems sure: "If SRF has an alignment to Jesus, how can SRF hold themselves above His teachings? [1 Feb]". Alas, there were many hinges that squeaked and squaled in the Jesus-SRF alignment that solely SRF vouches for - Jesus of the Bible does say some things to the contrary of that hopeless, invented neo-Hindu-alignment. For example, where SRF propagates Yogananda's teachings of the Yoga-Christs behind and in SRF, Jesus plainly warns against false christs. Take it or leave it; the alignment is a fake, if you "ask" the gospels about it.
Kriyananda has told about it, and others too, of how the guru wrote and dictated to his pupils, and their reactions when the Autobiography finally was published. This procedure may not explain different wordings in different editions of his writings. [Cf. 6 Feb]
Where Mumu finds in retrospect that "SRF's teachings drove me into mental illness - and [not] be entirely well! [Cf. 4 Feb]", I for my part felt I had lost everything that mattered. Today some see decadence in SRF. In the 70s, my tense misgivings and were softly denied by SRF. I found many SRF kriya members in Europe too were in a sorry state.
As for discussion board postings, stay away from those that smell of fascism or submission or authoritarian directives. Fascist attitudes and activities combat democratic ones.
"When I'm on my death bed, I want to say, "I have lived". [Cf. 4 Feb]", - But then it is far better to add "- but not as a complete fool" to it.
The daughter is also a
spiritual demand somehow
C. Mother Guilt: "Now I have a pretty well-rounded daughter and feel guilt about her"
I wish I will never tell, "Now I have a pretty well-rounded daughter and feel guilt about her." [Cf. 7 Feb] The antidote to much of the guilt she is expressing, must be being a parent through her childhood and youth - being there for her as yourself.In the light of that, various altar pictures of SRF - their quack-symmetrical balances with heavy reworking of the faces of at least two of them - seems of little interest. also the addition of the painting of Sri Krishna, when it came about in the cult and on whose order, and similar gropings concerning the Hoffmann-painting of Jesus. The paintings were added, and have confused some. "I'm sure someone here knows when [Hoffman's painting of Jesus] was added," writes Mumu [29 May 03].
After leaving the cult with a measure of confusion, she felt that the Bible and Christanity was a natural place to start over. [Cf. 6 Feb]
D. I enjoyed my spiritual bully-monks and photo demands till I grew up
Mumu wishes she could take back the humiliation her daughter suffered because her family were "devil worshipers" - Some kids were not allowed to come to their house because of the Yogananda pictures they had in view. [7 Feb] This does not means that the SRF pictures flared up and shooed them, or that Mumu shooed them. What probably happened was that parents of other children forbid the visits, but she is ambiguous.Mumu, who says she was a Christian when she was younger, only recently started to study the teachings of the humiliated Jesus. [4 Feb]
Living the teachings is necessary according to Jesus. Not all who call Jesus "Lord, Lord," do as he says. He, in turn, won't have anything to do with them on the day of reckoning, he also say in the Bible. A lot of people ignore it to call themselves Christians. Foolishness has many outlets, not just drivel.
Mumu says she is always amazed with the ways that SRF (and their followers) try to convince themselves that Jesus Christ is in accordance with the teachings of Krishna. [2 Feb]
She also decrees, "I enjoyed my spiritual life and miss aspects of it [Cf. 6 Feb] - I know I'm happier now [Cf. 29 May 03]" - Happier when missing that sort of spiritual life - that's a verdict.
Mumu recounts an artist who lived on the backside of SRF Mothership Centre (a "Hornet's Nest", according to Yogananda). She said that when the world guru was alive, she used to take a little walk to the artist's house now and again and share milk. Yogananda hired him to paint a picture of himself. After Yogananda died, a bunch of monks demanded all the photo's she had taken of Yogananda. [6 Feb] This indicates that in the cult of SRF they may be fond of guru photos.
Then Mumu claims she read the autobiography about a 100 times in the past 30 years, memorized it, and eventually was able to listen to it on tape when in the car. [Cf. Mumu, 6 Feb] It is not the number or readings that count the most, but what you get out of them. She should have been taught how to study such literature. The Buzan brothers show fine ways, and books are available. When Mumu left SRF after 25 years, and in time Yogananda too, her main learning efforts in the cult grip may have the stamp "much wasted time and efforts" all over, for the simple reason that it is far better to learn cosy study methods and go for all right textbooks, and learn from them. They can inform you for your benefit up to a complete life-time.
The SRF leader Yogananda hobnobbed (associated familiarly); he never had a problem with that, finds Mumu [6 Feb] And why should he? Sweet life, la dulce vita, does not have to be a wrong and all too brief way of living, if done with tact and finesse. Fascism-linked soap living, on the other hand, is a thing to go against. There is evidence online that Yogananda sympathized with Mussolini in the first half of the 1930s.
The senior SRF monk
E. A senior SRF monk is just an SRF-er, and a juvenile just a juvenile, remember
The gist of books
"I was a devotee for 30 years, a Kriyaban for 29 and in the inner circle; served [as a helper in SRF formalities] etc. / In the end: NO. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - who makes a point of having read the Autobiography of a Yogi many times. [Mumu, 2 Feb] - I've read all the teachings up to 2000, many, many times. [Mumu, 6 Feb]COMMENT: The basics are: The number our years spent hardly matter as much as the skill of performance. How many times a book is read matters less than how well it is appropriated through study.
Kriyabans have been initiated in kriya yoga. The core of kriya yoga consists of gentle pranayama techniques. Pranayama involves special breathing. As for going into books and letters and other written texts, the main point is learning the gist. Some words - freely adapted from maxims by the Buddha can put things better into perspective:
- It is not the number of books in your library that matters the most.
- It is not the number of books you have read that matters the most.
- It is not how many times you have read the books that matter the most.
- It is what you have made your own from reading the books that matter the most (in this context).
In the light of this too, reading the Autobiography a hundred times simply means wasted time and effort. Add the grave risk of Yogananda "overload" to it, as the proverb indicates, "Too much of a good thing is a bad thing". Satiety is a sign of bad eating. Reading over-much without know-how and without being sensible, could jeopardise the relationship with the guru too, due to natural antipathy that is associated with him and his fellowship. It suggests you can overfeed on Yogananda's output and glide away from him through it! Also, reading the same book a hundred times possibly suggests 'neurotic" - and a quite alarming lack of learning proficiency. There is more on learning and study here: LINK]
Implemented things show the dominant attitudes
Further excerpts: "As a (published) writer, and someone who knows how difficult it is to write anything, [speaking for all] [Mumu, 6 Feb] - I guess I got tired of my prayers not being answered. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - Yogananda's teachings . . . doesn't work, that's why. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - Like, stop having sexual relations with your wife or husband after a certain age. PLEASE." [Mumu, 4 Feb]COMMENT: To some, writing is difficult, to others seldom. To some not at all. It is likewise with composing music. Some composers have done it with great ease, others have fought to do it, and a few say they hear the music they write down. Beethoven was one of them. Bob Dylan has said similar things, such as "The music was there". But all the same, writing can be learnt and sorts of mastery can be helped in many ways.
Mumu says Yogananda's teachings don't work. Others say contrarywise. Mumu takes to overgeneralisation. Some parts of the teachings work. Many say that. I don't see why I could be different, considering how much he lectured about and dictated. At least five percent could be wise to learn by heart and stick to and seek to implement. Most of his dictated and lectured sayings may be too soapish to bother about learning thoroughly. They are not of formidable, general stand-up worth, that is. As an example, see his near-incredible commentary on the Rubaiyat. [LINK]
Mere Christian rhetorics will not save anyone.
"Again, what's wrong with something so beautifully simple as being saved by Jesus Christ? [It is a faith-haul] [Mumu, 4 Feb]COMMENT: What is considered inappropriate varies too. Yesternight I chatted with a Norwegian who told about how he had been on a bar and suddenly been tongue-kissed by a woman. "Did she look good?" I asked him. "No, she was gross," he said. "I guess that made the total kissing experience less," I mused. He agreed. Again, to the rhetorical "wrong with something so beautifully simple as being saved by Jesus Christ?" - it is pertinent to add: "My good proof is ---------------."
By this one may detect a problem for the delicate yogi - Is it just a matter of "thinking makes it so" (Shakespeare / Sir Henry Neville (pick your choice))? Opinions about being saved and its marks, differ in the New Testament too.
Yogi words may not be all unsuitable
"Aligning SRF with Christ is speaking out of the side of one's mouth . . . [Mumu, 1 Feb] - I remember many SRF monks, tongue in cheek, making fun of Christians for referring back to the WORD . . . [Mumu, 2 Feb] - Jesus made it pretty clear what you have to do to be a Christian, and there's nothing about going through a yogi from India. [Mumu, 4 Feb]COMMENT: Nice and pertinent points. And I agree, basically.
Guts (courageous resolution, or brave readiness to strive even against odds) is a means to better life
"If we believe in Jesus then we can't pick and choose what we want from his teachings just because we want it to fit into something we're into. The Bible isn't just the gospels of the New Testament - or a few scriptures that "sound like" something SRF teaches . . . [Mumu, 2 Feb] "SRF put a spin on the Christian Bible, not unlike the Mormons. [Mumu, 29 May 03]COMMENT: Agree for most part. But there is Christian freedom. The freedom to focus on or select or give more weight to some parts (many different) part of Christian denominations. It is an important part of something -
One's main circumstances do suggest things about significant, hovering influences
"SRF failed me when it was ultimately tested. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - The SRF way of life is no life. It's not living - and living is life. Life is . . . not sitting under a tree pondering. A little pondering is okay... I wish I had those hours back that I spent meditating while my child was in the other room watching TV. [Mumu, 7 Feb]COMMENT: SRF failed me too. Then again, things also depend on how or how well SRF was tested, under what circumstances, and how long. We cannot disregard that. Those who leave SRF in their 30s or 40s, like most ex-cultists do, may consider all that has been lost before they do: Golden moments, golden opportunities, steering into a far better course when there was ample time and also non-barren women to spend time with. The time spent on regret over many years, may be added. There is more to it.
There is a chance that SRF or gurus "swallow" things inside us: Good independence, rational thinking (linked to the ego function of psychology), and much else.
What is editor made, and what was Yogananda made of what he allegedly wrote?
"Writings of Yogananda have his unique voice. [Mumu, 6 Feb] - When you really need the "blessing," it isn't going to come. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - With SRF I worried all the time. [Mumu, 4 Feb]COMMENT: These topics are debatable. Some debate one or more of them on this board too, because Yogananda used to dictate hint-wise to editors, according to such as Kriyananda (James Donald Walters, who started Ananda Sangha).
F. In those ruined by SRF's Yogananda teachings and other wrong teachings, there may be no one inside to go witch-hunting
Statements
"The teachings of Jesus have nothing at all to do with the teachings of SRF. [Mumu, 1 Feb]COMMENT: Over-statements are unproductive. The fact is that isolated segments may be look-alikes. However, the over-all atmosphere of look-alike statements for different cultures may be very different.
About some allegedly SRF ruined people
"I've seen people utterly ruined from SRF's "karma" belief system. People who were dying of cancer and thought it was their fault. [Mumu, 4 Feb] - I'm not angry with Yogananda, and I'm not going to join a witch hunt to disprove her or his motives. [Mumu, 6 Feb]COMMENT: Guilt for not getting well is often invoked in charismatic "Christian" sects too, where leaders are not fair.
You who can move mountains, should perhaps consider yourself saved
"The body of work that Paramahansa Yoganada produced is phenomenal [Not really] [Mumu, 6 Feb] - There is nothing at all similar to the teachings of Jesus or Krishna [Assertion. There is nothing all similar to the teachings of Norse vikings either, and of Buddha, and so on. Demagogy aside.] The core of Christianity is Jesus died for our sins . . . If we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior then we are saved . . . Either you believe in Jesus or you don't." [If you're not with him, you're against him, and if you're not against him, you're with him," are the garbled Gospel message. But more seriously, if you have the Faith, you can move mountains and so on. Few show such signs of being of the right sort.] [Mumu, 2 Feb]COMMENT: The basic teachings are greatly different on very basic issues.
Summary
- Learn to select what is fit and works well for you. One may enjoy Yogananda's teachings although they fail - but it is better to enjoy and thank for what really helps more and better - perhaps ten percent of his output could be OK in such a light.
- The daughter is also a spiritual demand somehow, and not just a demand for money.
- The senior SRF monk has fought to get to a top-dog position.
Select picture or pictue parts you enjoy and thrive with. New methods have surfaced for taking and editing pictures has made it a lot easier. Some could enjoy nice pictures of their daughter and some SRF monk. And some tales are too bad to tell.
And lo
One may have to fight in a troubles-beset area to get important anti-sect information out of previous sect members. It may be far better to keep away from sects and sectarians in the first place.
Yogananda Guidelines for Running Discussion Boards
- based on Swami Yogananda. "Spiritualizing the Newspapers". East-West, March-April 1928 [the article is on the next page]
- Discussion boards have more or less become the tin gods worshipped by certain
people. They can make or unmake a man.
- A truth-loving community should keep a strict eye on the operation of these
gates (discussion boards) ... Muddy and defiled water must not be allowed in when clean and
sparkling streams are available.
- Some discussion boards ... often do not know how to operate the gates of
information.
- Unwholesome postings whet the appetite for tyranny and at times gross crime.
- Sensational discussion boards should be gradually crowded out by educating the
tastes of children and adults to a higher standard.
- Some discussion boards, in order to be the best "sellers" of the day, vie with
one another in breaking all gates of propriety, morality, purity and truth in order to
overflood and devastate human mentalities with their sensationalism.
... we must first reform ourselves and our children.
- To make all suit what is called "public demand" can be wrong, unless the demand
is wholesome.
- The law of honesty should be the policy of discussion boards . . . They should
only cater to the wholesome taste of people.
That will bring out the latent good taste even in apparently lost souls . . .
- Let us save the masses from the drug of sensationalism.
Let us have more discussion boards with aims and platforms like the Christian Science
Monitor and nice boards who are trying to be fair and constructive.
- Most of the boards hide behind indifference, do not print the retraction. If
they do print it, they give it an insignificant place. Some will then raise a hue and cry
and say, "Oh, don't sue the boards; that's against Christ's principles." That's a fine view,
but why not go for rooting out the evil instead of allowing it to grow to be later endured
in vain, for example? [Slightly modified]
- Libel laws are there to be enforced when needed, also in America.
- I am of the opinion that the reputation of no public man is safe from being
wrongly discussion board-handled.
- Swinish discussion boards . . . try to foster intolerance and revengefulness,
self-deception and persecution. I have studied and examined so many cases of untruthful
exaggerations, whipped and bluffed untruths, that I wonder how some nasty boards can
continue to exist.
- However, one hardly ever sees any contradictions made by the persons persecuted.
Why is this? I hear there is an unwritten law among some discussion boards that when they
are sued for libel they keep silent about it for a while.
Since even lousy boards can influence opinion-making they don't want to turn the wrathful
spotlights of public opinion on themselves, whereas they rejoice when they turn those
furious burning lights on some innocent person.
- Let the leading or worthy public men of each city come together to form a board
for educating the discussion boards.
- Any public man or society scandalized - i.e., Norman Paulsen's Solar Logos - by
any unscrupulous discussion board may need a channel and other means to state the case and
give positive proofs of discussion board untruth or false insinuations to the
above-mentioned board. [But this is not enough. Modified]
- The discussion boards must be instructed to respect the rights and freedom of
others as they sometimes love their own.
- Freedom of the cult board to post anything it chooses about anybody by writing
in a clever insinuating way and distorting the truth should be accompanied by the freedom of
giving the persons criticized a chance to reply in the same way. A banning, wicked board
moderator sees to that such things do not happen to his victims.
- It is cowardly to attack a defenceless, forcibly-made-voiceless person.
- There should be no putting off of the retraction or explanation by saying the
postings is old and uninteresting.
- If some discussion boards want to make half truths or exaggerated truths
sensational they should make the real truth prominent and interesting too.
- Half truths and distorted truths are worse than the blackest of lies. They can
be very hard to fight.
- I believe that though evil travels with the wind, nevertheless truth has the
power to travel against the wind. [How? He seems not to have taught how.]
- Catering to evil tastes will precipitate more evil, disorder, inharmony and
suffering.
- Discussion boards are universally read by people, they should act like
wholesome, reforming parents.
- The crime of board distortion and giving prominence to scandals is of the most
unfathomable harm to the rising world generation.
- Let us all by moral persuasion, love,. . . and practical measures reform the
discussion boards and rid them of their epidemic of idle hunger for sensationalism.
- Jesus and all [?] world-teachers taught us to sympathize with and help
people.
- Sensationalism creates the desire to rejoice in others' shortcomings.
- Let us spiritualize the discussion boards.
- Let the morning and evening boards carry headlines on the front page containing the brave sayings of . . . great prophets.
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| Literature | SECTION | First Page |
Ak: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Man's Eternal Quest. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1975.
Ap: Mieder, Wolfgang (main editor), Stewart A. Kingsbury, and Kelsie E. Harder: A Dictionary of American Proverbs. (Paperback) New York: Oxford University Press, 1996.
Ay: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 1st ed. New York: Theosophical, 1946. Online. [oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk12.html]
Ebu: Encyclopaedia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica 2006 Ultimate Reference Suite DVD. London: Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2006.
Ltp: Schunk, Dale. Learning Theories. An Educational Perspective. 4th ed. Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2004.
Op: Simpson, John, and Jennifer Speake. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs. 3rd ed. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1998.
Pa: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 11th ed. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1971.
Say: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Sayings of Yogananda. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1958.
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