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Said to be That?
The egg, Hiranyagarbha, is said to be That which all come from. Did the egg come first?
Animals and things are said to be That. But they seem to have to go through an awful lot to get consciously aware of being That, in part against many leanings of Nature.

Instead of thinking very much of rather imponderable things, learn TM and also add fit exercise.

Humanism and Rats

Dorothy Maclean, one of the originators of the Findhorn Community in northwest Scotland, once was troubled by rats. She laughingly recount that as the fledgling community grew, the compost piles were neglected and they got rats. The rats would chatter away at night under Dorothy's caravan, keeping her awake. After three nights without sleep, she got desperate and tuned into the rat kingdom spiritually. She asked for help and had no problems for the next four years. When she eventually moved into another caravan, the new tenant of her old caravan came running to tell her that the rats were driving him crazy - [◦Link]

Rats in India, what about them?

Hindus also allow rats a lot. It shows up that rats are friendly if they are not persecuted, and in India there are also holy rats, venerated by humans much bigger than themselves. At a certain place in India a huge stone temple stands in honour of one goddess that is thought to manifest herself through holy rats that swarm around at that place: The Karni Mata Temple in Rajastan hosts over 20,000 holy rats. The rats get regularly fed on milk, and never get base and crucial treatment for being just who they are.

If you need to see thousands of temple-rats swim and bathe in milk and crawl in the hair and turbans and all over people sitting there - it may remind one of spoon-feeding babies - there is a place for it.

Speaking of rats still

Rats have got a very bad reputation in the West, in part undeservedly. For example, humans spread AIDS to humans, rats hardly ever, if at all. (13). And salt in a wound is not to be considered marring if it hinders the amputation of a limb. (3) Speaking of accomplishments, is it sure that humans have greater will and energy to push through brick walls than rats? The rat may bite through steel wires and ceramic building blocks in walls.

The rat is thought to carry many diseases, rightly or wrongly, and that explains in part why the Rat - wise, charming, and a great survivor - may also disappear from the public eye, as it is said in a book on astrology. By the way, in Chinese astrology, the token animal of the first star sign is the Rat. In the West it is the Ram . . . [Ast 369-70; Nay] (7)

Rats and cats seldom know how to live in utter harmony together. Here in the West we favour the cat, as evidenced in tales like Dick Whittington's Cat. Dick's way on and up in life was one of letting a cat catch rats. (9)

Thanks for the Cow

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"A cow must not be killed" is amiable.
"A cow must not be killed," is a verdict of the Markandeya Purana [Ma 592]. (4). It reflects the wonderful Hindu attitude to them; an attitude that makes sense in the light of reincaration theory and its wider perspectives on lives and deaths in large chains. You could eat much lower life forms, such as nuts and eggs and have milk with a clearer conscience if you are sure you don't drink the milk from a happy cow and that her calf has not been slaugthered so that you might get the milk instead of him.

Vegetarians can get quite similar problems and challenges once they have set foot on the path of consideration in some wider perspective and consider that plants are sensitive and even delicate beings too. A meadow in spring and summer may get you on that track - that flowers are delicate, and like it best if they are not cut off the plant in their prime, to suffer suffer agonies on someone's table, either as decor or as something to eat. There are many more eatable flowers around than broccoli heads.

Personal responsibility as I see it, may boil down to this: If you have to eat to stay well, if breathing air won't quite do for it, seek to kill with the least sufferings possible. Karma-rooted sufferings in coming lives - if they come - may then be much reduced along the long trail of reincarnated lives on earth or similar.

Competing for Dwindling Resources

There is competition on the surface of the earth, also in the orchard: At slow speed the plants are competing for food and light among themselves. If you establish an orchard, maybe the deer that is hunted no more, becomes your competitor, and "eats the fruits of your garden" - even "eats you out of your house". And that is the time when you find a good fence comes in handy.

Shrinking forests make elephants eat the rice of farmers and do havoc thereby, which make the farmers hate the elephants and even poison them - some of them. Still, without plants and animals around, human life is poorer, and humanism suffers too. At first a little, and then more and more, until children are just like robots in a world that is getting increasingly occupied with screen presentations - games, programs, whatever. The trend itself is ominous, and maybe deserved. Happy is the ma who owns his own field or garden of flowers, shrubs and trees, and likes it there. As for tamed animals, some might rather be free, like yourself would like to be, and not be made all use of. Luckily for some, you don't have to buy a cow just because you like milk, as Elvis too said.

It also behoves man to be bold enough to reject a bad mistress - no matter how lovely, holy and incarnated she first appears in the eyes of the jaundiced man. "To the jaundiced eye, everything is yellow" (Proverb). (#1.1)



Mahadevan Views in Hand

LoExperience of God is Hard to Define

In ancient India and in regular Upanishadic thinking the cosmic reality was thought to be the same - or some sameness [much like a "this-like" field of existence, to pinpoint it], but names varied. In this towering philosophy there was plenty of scope for transmigration, and the big cosmos wasn't denied. Professor T. Mahadevan's summarises it thus. [Xmd 176, 178, 172. (1)

Cosmic intelligence, cosmic giants: often, "cosmic" is only a word. It may be good to know. It can mean "of the universe", "in the universe", or, to put it more academically: "of or relating to the cosmos, the extraterrestrial vastness, or the universe in contrast to the earth alone; characterized by greatness especially in extent, intensity, or comprehensiveness" [Merriam-Webster].

The Upanishadic cosmism of repeated existences hardly denies that the notion of the Absolute (fairly close to Immanuel Kant's notion) is some sentient experience. The concept or experience of Brahman (much like Western God) cannot be defined - and that concept is much acosmic in Vedic literature. Brahman implies Being beyond time-space, and yet knowing of it, somehow like an on-looking mirror surrounding everybody, keeping watch. Karma and reincarnation forms are dispensed in conformity with it, says Buddha by other words. He does not talk of Brahman and the deep Self in man either. [Cf. Xmd 175, 173] (2)

Mark's "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." [3:29] A sin of this sort would require "eternal reckoning" too. The Holy Spirit he talks of, is one of truth, not lies and other gospel hallmarks of evil [see John 14:16-17]. Good to know and take into account! "Eternal" says "lasting much longer than one life," by the way.

Now, in a still enlarged perspective on the plots of living and that sort of things, karma (meaning retribution, giving back), may be needed for your total health. If you do naughtly things and cannot atone for them at all, you may start punishing yourself, even. Some castrates may be of that kind. So if you have wronged us, hurry to pay back, for the payback interest might grow much more than suspected. Jesus was into that side to living too. It is more important to speedily right a wrong than to a attend a temple service, said he [Matthew 5:23-25].

Suppose people hail an invisible spirit as God, as holy and divine, and that spirit or those spirits - one, two, tree, and so on - takes part in stealing, lying, misleading, bringing untrue prophesies, distorted testimonies, false witnessing, even murder. A Christian is encouraged to try the spirits, so why not do so. "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God . . . many false prophets have gone out into the world [1 John 4:1]." Such testing is endorsed; it may be for your good. And why? You may end up fooled and victimised if not. And the possible harm and ruin may go far deeper than loss of property, relatives, a good reputation, opportunities to make an all right living, and so on. The deep, inner parts of ourselves are often called the spiritual levels of our beings. Ordinarily one does not know a fig about that subtle side, which is still the most important side to us, according to the ancient teachings. If you lose parts of your spirit nature, or all of it, in the name of God, maybe you will find it difficult to get it back. I just make do with mentioning a possibility of great, extended harm - a danger.

Watch out for liars and thieves that come in the name of God, then. By the way, have you considered that Jesus of the gospels has main diagnostic characteristics of a psychopath? See what are the marks of psychopaths, and how the gospels describe Jesus, and add two and two together at ease in your home. Maybe you find something interesting. Otherwise, here is a page that explores the subject. [More]

It is better to be alerted than unsuspectingly falling victim to devils and other deceivers eager for money, power, and influence, even worldwide.

Personal moral is much. What we eat is not apart from deeply moral sides to living. To make spiritual progress, maintain health and moral, and improve them too, is a top drawer counsel in some quarters. In yoga training, some moral imperatives are supplied too. Buddhism as well has moral requirements, some wider ones for everyone, and extra ones for monastics.

Sound moral development (1) reveals the extent to which a person has achieved control over his or her inner life; (2) ensures that he or she lives in harmony with the surrounding natural and social world; (3) correlates with his or her progress in spiritual development, the fruits of which are given in spiritual perception; (4) and may guarantee the capacity to distinguish between true perceptions and illusions or distinguish in any perception between the influence of subjective elements and objective realities, teaches Rudolf Steiner. [Wikipedia, s.v. "Rudolf Steiner's exercises for spiritual development"]

And while we "dance and juggle" along that road of reaping and sowing and reckoning and balancing out things, maybe we find time and means to develop too, rising higher. Terms like "cosmic consciousness, cosmic intelligence, cosmic giants (or man-fishers) indicate expanded awareness.

LoExperiences that are hard to define, easily breed wrong or limping notions. Be prepared for that

"It takes one to know one (Saying)."

LoHow goddy do you feel?

There is an undying atman (godhood) deep in man, say many scriptures in the Upanishadic tradition. Cf. [Spa 25].

Mahadevan also holds that "Brahman (God) cannot be defined." I think you can stick to that, and also that He can be hinted at, suggestively.

Still, you can be formidably wise: If you find cannot define a thing, refrain from much ado about it and live well. Besides, deep concerns require deep ponderers. 169, 173. (7)(#1.1)



  1. Experience of your inmost Essence is hard to define -
  2. Experiences that are hard to define, easily breed wrong or limping notions through suggestions.
  3. It takes a god to know a god. "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the merchants a merchant. [With Emerson]"
IN NUCE Your inmost being is perhaps hard to define, but it contains your godside.

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Humans, animals, Hinduism, LITERATURE  

Ast: Mertz, B. Astrologi for alle. Oslo: Teknologisk forlag, 1985.

Ma: Pargiter, Frederick Eden, tr. Markandeya Purana. Calcutta: The Asiatic Society, 1904.

Nay: White, Suzanne. The New Astrology. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1986.

Spa: Yogananda, Pa.: Sayings of Paramahansa Yogananda. 4th ed. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1980.

Xmd: Radhakrishnan, S., ed. The Cultural Heritage of India, Vol. 4. 2nd ed. Calcutta: Ramakrishna Institute, 1956.

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