Jesus and the Prophets

Is this right?

Jews do not recognise Jesus as a Messiah. Nor did he himself (Ehrman 2014). Others seek to. Know about the evidence:

"The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness." (Jeremiah 23:5,6)

But the "righteous Branch" soon proved to fall apart. That's a good thing to know and hold on to.

Gospel tellers or writers - forgerers and possibly others - tell that Jesus the Jew said that Old Testament prophets prophesised about him, and prophet words were to be fulfilled though him. How very misleading.

Jesus also is quoted to say he had come to fulfil the prophets. (Matthew 5:17; cf. 1:22; 2:17; 4:14). They told a whole lot of very different things, so how could he? Did he fulfil all of the recorded prophet sayings? Definitely not. Just a handful or so of all the prophet sayings in the Old Testament are made use of to serve the claims of Jesus in the gospels. Paul adds some more, but the prophet words of the Old Testament that are taken to refer to Jesus are about as a couple of drops in a heavy rain shower, poetically speaking with no detailed, painful counts. By looking up the use of prophets in the gospel, you can see for yourself.

If you work your way through the Old Testament, you may end up with an even more pessimistic comparison, for there are extremely few references in the prophets to anyone like Jesus. Truth be told: if the hat fits, wear it: Jesus and followers abused prophet authority to seemingly legitimise him as an acceptable "topdog".

Also, some delicate prophet words go completely against the mission of Jesus: In "fulfilling prophets". For example, Jesus did not talk of prophet words that said Israel had been utterly destroyed, never to rise again (Amos 5:2). What is more, "the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)" did not want him either. The sheep did not actually listen to the shepherd's voice, but said "Execute him!"

Since the Old Testament tells God had already crushed and killed all his people, what kind of demagogues were left, who were the people of Jesus, since we have a prophet word that His own people were never to rise again? Jews did not welcome Jesus. Facts before hearsay, then.

"That figures," you might say, but study the facts first, before you put any faith in anything. That could be very wise. Facts from long ago, where are they? What are they? Some are difficult to find. After all, the Spirit of truth in bible researchers may not feel all satisfied with a bunch of wrangled forgeries to believe in either - let us hope that, in memory of Jan Hus (ca. 1369–1415) for a moment. Hus is considered the first Church reformer. He lived before Luther and Calvin. He said he did not wish anything but to be convinced from Scripture. Hus was accused of heresy against the doctrines of the Catholic Church and burned at a stake for it. Moreover, five papal crusades were used against his followers since, in additional to persecutions. The teachings of Hus had a strong influence on Martin Luther a century later.

Many other events have also shown it can be a bit risky to tell frankly what is the bible. There is a certain element of "might-preservation" around. (Cf. WP, "Jan Hus")

And it stands out from prophet words about a wiped-out God's people (Amos again) that the "lost sheep of Israel" that Jesus wanted to save (Matthew 10:6; 15:24) were fabricated after God had killed them off, as said by the prophets Hosea and Amos - That is a long overlooked point. Just take a look:

"I will put an end to the kingdom of Israel." (Hosea 1:4)

"I will crush you". (Amos 2:13)

"Fallen is Virgin Israel, never to rise again". (Amos 5:2).

"You are destroyed, O Israel, because you are against me, against your helper. (. . .) In my anger I gave you a king". (Hosea 13:9,11)

"Fallen and destroyed" - so many disregard those prophet words in the Bible. Amos and Hosea are not the only key prophets to study. The whole hardened and obstinate house of Israel (Ezekiel 3:7) would be killed, said the prophet Ezekiel:

"I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. (Ezekiel 21:4)". Such indiscriminate slaughter is great injustice to the righteous. But the main thing comes next: "Then all people will know that I the Lord have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again." (Ezekiel 21:5) "You will be fuel for the fire, your blood will be shed in your land, you will be remembered no more." (Ezekiel 21:32, emphasis added).

The bible itself counteracts that by recounting these stories. (Sigh)

Jesus has nowhere fulfilled those prophet words and the safety words of Jeremiah. one prophet saying contradicts another. We do not find that Israel was saved in the days of Jesus, or in safety, as Jeremiah had prophesised for the Righteous King (Jeremiah 23:5,6). Did he allow robbery, slavery, and killing of innocents? That is putting it very, very gently.

The main point is to go against untrue demagogy as you come across it. You can do it within your own mind and refrain from shouting it on the streets and Internet. Be mentally prepared, for there is seldom a match between main prophet words and Jesus, and conformism and much kindness.

• The gospels' Jesus misuses prophets.
• You can now do better than being taken in by unfit, untrue statements and wild exaggerations.
• Not all hitting prophet words are taken into account as they should be.

Another round of bluffs:

The house of Israel . . . are not willing to listen to me, for the whole house of Israel is hardened and obstinate . . . a rebellious house." (Ezekiel 3:7-9)

So why did he and Jesus even try? The events showed how wrong they were. Jesus was executed, and the plan they had, to execute Jesus for Jews, failed substantially. Disregard of prophet words again:

"I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away; I will carry them off, with none to rescue them." (Hosea 5:14)

Jesus tried to rescue Jews against such prophet sayings, so how could he fulfill them? Largely unfounded or unverified beliefs can make church clowns of us. Moreover, the God of the Bible is corrupt according to worldly standards. He has instituted slavery, the use of scapegoating of innocents regularly, and further. Who belong to him are not healthy. For the Jesus who is credited with saying that his Father are one, says only ill ones need him, and healthy ones do not need him (Mark 2:17; cf. Matthew 9:12-13).

◎ Facts before hearsay, and don't believe everything that is written is truth.