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Understanding of God in the Gita and the Bible

The concepts of God in Hindu teachings are variegated. Here is something the Bhagavad Gita tells the Lord says - and fools still disregard the great Lord of Intelligence and Splendour (cf. 9:11; 7:10; 5:21):

Sri Krishna Those who worship me with devotion are in me and I am also in them (Bhagavad Gita 9:29).

She or he who, seated on the meditation seat, practises Yoga for the purification of the self, hating none, balanced and steady in meditation, not overly agitated by the world, she or he is most likely underway. (see Bhagavad Gita 6:12; 12:13-15,20).

Further, those who excel in various yogas may realise the Self as God. (11:35; 12:1-6).


  • Brahman is the Imperishable, the Supreme; and his essential nature is called Self-knowledge. (8:3)
  • His Being is the Supreme Person, Resplendent, effulgent like the sun (8:8,9).
  • Unmanifested is the Highest State (8:21; 7:24), yet "There exists, higher than the unmanifested, another unmanifested Eternal who is not destroyed when all beings are destroyed (8:20)."
  • Self-realisation suggests knowledge of the Self (9:1,3)
  • The Great Lord, Higher Being, is an imperishable source and support of beings (9:11,13). The Gita also says "all beings exist in me, but I do not dwell in them," and "my Self, the efficient cause of beings" does not dwell in all beings. (9:4,5).
  • The whole universe rests in the Mighty, Ancient, Primal One (11:13,38).
  • To those who attain to knowledge of the sun-like Self, inner knowledge is theirs. (5:16)

Favoritism, Hate and Heinous Sinning

According to the Bible, the Lord in the Bible, Yahweh, is a:

  • God to fear. [Eccl 8:13; 12:13].
  • God of vengeance, persecutions, and hate. [Exod 20:5]-6]
  • God of indiscriminate killing of "both the righteous and the wicked." [Ezekiel 21:3]
  • God of massacres. [Joshva, 2 Samuel, and many prophets - note Josh 3:10 vs 1 Kgs 9:20-21, and Josh 10:8-42, passim, Josh 8:24-25 etc., etc.]
  • God of carrot and whip. [Josh 8:34]
  • God of slaves. [Lev 22:11; [Lev 25:44-46]. - Neither Jesus nor the apostle Paul went against slavery either. [Titus]
  • God of sacrificing innocents - and devoting things and persons to the God of the Bible is an irrevocable giving over of them, often by completely destroying them. Such doings are otherwise known as sins, not unlike mass murder in a butcher's shop. [See eg Josh 7:1; also 7:11, 12, 13 and 15].
  • God of unkempt promises. His promises may not turn into anything. [Genesis 15:16-20; Josh 13:1-5, passim]
  • God of vacillating greatly. Would he wipe out the Hebrews or not? Well, he killed off most of them, and gave the remaining two tribes - Judah - a really hard time, shows Amos, Hosea, and others [Hosea 1:4; 13:9,11; Amos 2:13; 5:2]. See also [Num 14:11-16]

Safety first, and come out clean. We can mind that.


The individual soul, is it eternal and cannot be destroyed? Jesus says the soul can be destroyed [Matthew 10:28].

Do not ignore that Babaji also says in the Autobiography of a Yogi: "The divine realm extends to the earthly, but the latter [is] illusory". [Autobiography of a Yogi, ch. 34]. If so, where is the assumed responsibility?

Avoid bad company and you won't be of their number (Proverbial)

"A man is known by the company he keeps. Jesus who said his teachings are for Jews only (Matthew 10:4-10; 15:24) is also a slavery-guarantor (Matthew 5:17-19).

Vigilance might be good, then.

In the Old Testament, Yahweh - or is it Eli, the name Jesus cried on the cross? - likens himself to a shepherd and his chosen ones his sheep. Jesus uses that allegory too. But who wants to be a sheep on all four and herded to be sheared, possibly infected by scabby ones, and later slaughtered for others? However, there is hope: Jesus informs that healthy ones do not need him [Matthew 9:12; John 10:27].

That makes sense, at least it did to Jesus . . .

Yahweh of the Bible hates, quite frankly and shows partiality - and his chosen ones - sheep or other innocents - may be slaughtered. You cannot be too careful when it comes to health and deeper health concerns, or in choosing your company.

Well, do not be led by any religious neuroses, but seek professional help to get rid of them.

The Lord in the Bhagavad Gita brings a synopsis of yoga, in part of lessons found in the ancient Upanishads and ancient philosophies. Consider alternatives to dogmatism, or slavish beliefs around:

Buddhic "Do not be led [blindly] by whatever has been handed down from past generations." Buddha in Kalama Sutta [Link].

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Remain Healthy and Retire to Your Benefit

Seated on the seat, practise Yoga for the purification of the self. [Bhagavad Gita 6:12]

Realise Jesus stands for tyranny. "A man is known by the company he keeps."

Krishna teaches the world is - (Bhagavad Gita 16:7-8).

How many Jewish followers are called by Jesus to surpass Jesus one way or another! As for those who are healthy, they do not need Jesus and his Father-san [Matthew 9:12; John 10:27]. In the light of John 14:12, the Jesus-following Jew is called to surpass Jesus. Do not let fools and their verbiage ruin you. Ask for top evidence; be wary enough for that.

Awareness of stages of life should be useful. From being centred on gold try to focus on yourself through various evolving life stages. They often are: studenthood, householdership, and retirement, perhaps also asceticism). Have a life that is in main outline adjusted to them, and most of the stages of Erik H. Erikson.

Buddha delineates much essential and practically useful in this process, which can be called "turning the wheel of proper things to do (i.e., turning the wheel ofdharma)". Do what is appropriate in the stages of life, and you could benefit if things go well.

Binding others sorely is not freeing them. Ask whether scapegoating and butchering innocent animals really expiates sins of two-legged scoundrels, and whether marriage promises imposed on you are clean, after all. They are not, it shows up. They aim at societal order and control by binding two people (or more) more and more severely as time goes by.

Inconsistencies may amount to mar. Jesus had taught his disciples secrets about heaven, but had told nothing in secret, the Bible says . . . Besides, they did not know he had told them secrets he said he had given them. "It might be a deep secret you have been given, and which you hardly know anything about - like your body, for example." Maybe you have to exert yourself.

Monasticism as taught by Jesus? Think it is better to be healthy than ill, and better to be all right than unwell, and more valuable to be human than a following sheep.

If you say you stand for "Christianity as taught by Jesus" this needs to be handled with care: One, there was no Christianity of Jesus, only followers: they were Jewish. Two, you cannot be a monk or nun or a non-Jew, and why? Monasticism did not exist in the early Church; it appeared there in the 300s CE only.

Consider the cards you have been given, and stop obviously false play.

Say no to getting tricked, and to uncalled for salvation for all the good reasons. There is no purpose in saving someone who does not need it. Jesus said it plainly, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick . . . "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." [Matthew 9:12-13]

Did he mean God did not desire to sacrifice Jesus, after all? There are tricks around. Don't fall for a single one.

Scapegoating by all means, again and again. The Jerusalem church under James, the brother of Jesus, was the mother church. But did these people ever strive to drive a flock of goats into the wilderness to help Jesus? After all, his Father had prescribed a "yearly cure" for his people based on scapegoating. The Bible specifies it for you:

[Aaron] is to [state] the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites - all their sins - and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place. [Leviticus 16:21-22]

"This is to be a lasting ordinance for you . . . you will be clean from all your sins . . . it is a lasting ordinance . . . This is to be a lasting ordinance . . , as the Lord commanded Moses." [Leviticus 16:29-34].

A couple of goats . . . so there was no dire need to sacrifice Jesus at all - unless there is a bluff too much in the Bible.

If God tells you that you are his chosen one, "God's people", your life is endangered. That is how it was in the Old Testament, the Bible tells, and so it was for followers in the New Testament and on from there too. Moreover, if the "net" of Jesus is thrown at you, he considers you an ill sheep, whereas healthy people do not need him, he says [Matthew 9:12; John 10:27].

Sta fermo,, stay firm, then, and surpass Jesus and hangovers. Do not underestimate the evidence that is mounting.

According to that lasting ordinance (Lev. 16:29-34), Jesus was not to "atone for all". Nor did he, according to the Old Testament: Enoch, the father of Metusaleh and ancestor of Noah, seems to have found much favour, for example. "Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." (Genesis 5:24). This allows for several interpretations, though. And Elijah's name typically occurs in Jewish lists of those who have entered heaven alive, right or wrong.

According to the post-biblical Jewish Midrash, eight people went to heaven (also referred to as the Garden of Eden and Paradise) alive, and among them are also Bithiah, the daughter of Pharaoh; she saved baby Moses (1 Chron. 4:18; Jewish Encyclopedia).

Garden living - make it a foretaste of paradise if you are up to it.

Many prophet sayings may be abused, and some remain unfulfilled. How could Jesus - himself proved to be a false prophet in that his timing about the end of the world was too bad - hope to fulfil prophet sayings? "The Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women . . the Lord will make their scalps bald. The Lord will snatch away their finery . . . the headdresses and ankle chains and sashes . . . the signet rings and nose rings . . . and mirrors . . . Instead of fragrance there will be a stench . . . instead of well-dressed hair, baldness . . . instead of beauty, branding. [Isaiah 3:17-24, passim]

The Lord is angry with all nations . . . He will totally destroy [their armies], he will give them over to slaughter . . . their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved [It should take some time, though -] . . . The desert owl and screech owl will possess [the land of Edom] . . . nettles and brambles [will overrun] her strongholds. [Isa 34:2-12, passim]

In this chapter of Isaiah the universe collapses, but desert owls and brambles go on anyway - Did Jesus fulfil any of it? Don't be silly.

In passing, the observable universe contains about 30 to 70 sextillion stars organised in more than 80 billion galaxies that form clusters and superclusters. Alan Guth thinks the entire Universe could be at least 1023 to 1026 times as large as the observable universe. The light from a distant star takes a long time to travel to reach us. For example, the light from the Eagle Nebula takes 7,000 years to reach the Earth. [Wikipedia, s.v., "Observable universe"]

Plotters exist. Who are they? Persons from outside Christianity who claim to be descendants of David through Joseph, who was not their real father either, are they plotters?

Some talk with two tongues - see if it pays. Jesus communicated two different things. In Sanhedrin he says he had taught openly. In Matthew 13 he speaks of imparted secrets. The question is whether he imparted secrets without letting anybody know it, including his disciples. Or whether he imparted secrets that were so secret that not even he understood them at the moment. Or both - neither his disciples nor himself knew about the secrets he had taught. Is that as remote-looking as the biblical view of omens?

Is this right?

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Abuse of Prophets

We don't have to believe in big bluffs just because they are big.

Jews do not recognise Jesus as a Messiah. Nor did he (Ehrman 2014). Granted that, some hold another view, as inculcated in them.

"The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness. [Jeremiah 23:5,6]

But the "righteous Branch" soon proved to be unrighteous, and fell apart. That's a good thing to know and hold on to.

Gospel tellers or writers - forgers and possibly others - tell that Jesus the Jew said that Old Testament prophets prophesised about him, and prophet words were to be fulfilled though him. How misleading. Jesus also is quoted to say he had come to fulfil the prophets. [Matthew 5:17. Cf. Matthew 1:22; 2:17; 4:14 ]. Since they told a whole lot of very different things, how could he? Did he fulfil all of the recorded prophet sayings? Absolutely not. Just a handful or so of all the prophet sayings in the Old Testament are made use of to serve the claims of Jesus in the gospels. Paul adds some more, but the words of the Old Testament that are taken to refer to Jesus are about as a couple of drops in a heavy rain shower, poetically speaking, with no detailed, painful counts. By looking up the use of prophets in the gospel, you can see it for yourself.

If you work your way through the Old Testament, you may end up with an even more pessimistic comparison, for there are extremely few references in the prophets to anyone like Jesus. Truth be told: if the hat fits, wear it: Jesus and followers abused prophet authority to seemingly legitimise him as an acceptable "topdog" among them.

A decent guy will try to refrain from misuse or abuse of others.

Also, some delicate prophet words go completely against the mission of Jesus: In "fulfilling prophets". For example, Jesus did not talk of prophet words that said Israel had been utterly destroyed, never to rise again [Amos 5:2]. What is more, "the lost sheep of Israel [Matthew 15:24]" did not want him either. The sheep did not actually listen to the shepherd's voice, but said "Execute him!"

Since the Old Testament tells God had already crushed and killed all his people, what kind of demagogues were left, who were the people of Jesus, since we have a prophet word that His own people were never to rise again? Jews did not welcome Jesus, at any rate.

"That figures," you might say, but study the facts first, before you put any faith in anything. That could be very wise. Facts from long ago, where are they? What are they? Some are difficult to find. But after all, the Spirit of truth in bible researchers does not feel satisfied with a bunch of wrangled forgeries to believe in either - let us hope that, in memory of Jan Hus (ca. 1369–1415) for a moment. Hus is considered the first Church reformer. He lived before Luther and Calvin. He said he did not wish anything but to be convinced from Scripture. Hus was accused of heresy against the doctrines of the Catholic Church, and burned at a stake for it. Moreover, five papal crusades were used against his followers since, in additional to persecutions. The teachings of Hus had a strong influence on Martin Luther a century later.

Many other events have also shown it can be a bit risky to tell frankly what is the bible. There is a certain element of "might-preservation" around. (Cf. WP, "Jan Hus")

And it stands out from prophet words about a wiped-out God's people (Amos again) that the "lost sheep of Israel" that Jesus wanted to save [Matthew 10:6; 15:24] seems to be fabricated, since God had killed them off, as said by the prophets Hosea and Amos - That is the long overlooked point. Just take a look:

OT "I will put an end to the kingdom of Israel." [Hosea 1:4] "I will crush you". [Amos 2:13] "Fallen is Virgin Israel, never to rise again". [Amos 5:2].

"You are destroyed, O Israel, because you are against me, against your helper. (. . .) In my anger I gave you a king". [Hosea 13:9,11]

"Fallen and destroyed" - so many disregard this. After all, those are prophet words according to the Bible. Amos and Hosea are not the only key prophets to study. The whole hardened and obstinate house of Israel [Ezek 3:7] would be killed, said the prophet Ezekiel:

"I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. [Ezek 21:4]". Such indiscriminate slaughter is great injustice to the righteous. But the main thing comes next: "Then all people will know that I the Lord have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again." [Ezek 21:5] "You will be fuel for the fire, your blood will be shed in your land, you will be remembered no more." [Ezek 21:32, emphasis added].

The bible itself counteracts that by recounting these stories. Ai-ai-ai.

Jesus has nowhere fulfilled those prophet words and the safety words of Jeremiah. one prophet saying contradicts another. We do not find that Israel was saved in the days of Jesus, or in safety, as Jeremiah had prophesised for the Righteous King [Jer 23:5,6]. Did he allow robbery, slavery, and killing of innocents? That is putting it very, very gently.

The main point is to go against untrue demagogy as you come across it. You can do it within your own mind and refrain from shouting it on the streets and Internet. Be mentally prepared, for there is seldom a match between main prophet words and Jesus, and conformism and much kindness.

  • The gospels' Jesus misuses prophets.
  • You can now do better than being taken in by unfit, untrue statements and wild exaggerations.
  • Not all hitting prophet words are taken into account as they should be.

Another round of bluffs:

The house of Israel . . . are not willing to listen to me, for the whole house of Israel is hardened and obstinate . . . a rebellious house." [Ezek 3:7-9]

So why did he and Jesus even try? The events showed how wrong they were. Jesus was executed, and the plan they had, to execute Jesus for Jews, failed substantially. Disregard of prophet words again:

"I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away; I will carry them off, with none to rescue them." [Hos 5:14]

Jesus tried to rescue Jews against such prophet sayings, so how could he fulfill them? Largely unfounded or unverified beliefs can make church clowns of us. Moreover, the God of the Bible is corrupt according to worldly standards. He has instituted slavery, the use of scapegoating of innocents regularly, and further. Who belong to him are not healthy. For the Jesus who is credited with saying that his Father are one, says only ill ones need him, and healthy ones do not need him [Mark 2:17; cf. Matthew 9:12-13].

Facts before hearsay, and don't believe everything that is written is truth.

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For Some Sages: Gold!

Fit focus on gold is not wrong, says the Bhagavad Gita

If you like gold better than raving about as a pauper on the word of Jesus (see Matthew 5), there could be much hope for you. For the sage, according to the Gita, "looks on a lump of earth, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye." [14:24]. So far, so good - but there is more to come:

There is no need to be dramatically against gold in any way. To the contrary. And from being centred on gold try to focus on yourself and "that heart of gold". [More]

The Gita does not denounce those who want gold, contrary to Jesus - he ask the follower to make himself a pauper, surely. But the Gita tells another tale

Sri Krishna Four kinds of virtuous men worship me . . . ! They are the distressed, the seeker of knowledge, the seeker of wealth, and the wise . . . (Bhagavad Gita 7:16)

Ask yourself what these four groups of people have in common, and it may dawn on you: They focus. If that is done well in good and fit ways somehow, it has in it to bring about progress - a little or a lot, depending on "this and that". So, to seek wealth is a form of virtuous worship - and to seek wisdom enough to get it, can be understood as virtuous worship too, and so on. Well-directed, well applied focus (attention) can bring about higher states of mind in some, even resplendent Awakening, and many other benefits too; that is in the age-old teachings of meditation. See what research on Transcendental Meditation has come up with, for example.

Dharmashastra literature

Dharmashastra literature [that is, on texts on righteousness] in Sanskrit is voluminous; it exceeds 5,000 titles.

Among the texts inspired by the Veda are the . . . manuals on dharma, which contain rules of conduct and rites as they were practiced in a number of branches of the Vedic schools. [They] address the duties of people at various stages of life . . . (studenthood, householdership, retirement, and asceticism); dietary regulations; offenses and expiations; and the rights and duties of kings. They also discuss purification rites, funerary ceremonies, forms of hospitality, and daily oblations . . . The influence of the Dharma Shastra of Manu has been enormous . . . For large parts of the Indian subcontinent, Manu's text . . . has been the law. [Ebu, "dharmashastra"; "Hinduism"]

The shastras are a part of the Smriti ("Remembered," or traditional) literature which . . . stresses the religious merit of gifts to Brahmans [Brahmins] . . . The Smriti texts are binding to this day on orthodox Hindus, and until quite recently Hindu family law was based on them. [EB "Hinduism"]

"Other times, other conditions." All practices handed down from olden times may not suit present-day conform living very well either. You could question whether baptism by being submerged in water in the biblical way or plunging yourself into a river really, really purifies you. Some rivers and even fjords are murky and bad for bathers, due to impurities, toxic waste and so on, to put it carefully.

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Fragmented Teachings and Their Dangers

There is a risk that fragmented teachings slowly make silly in that the "pop-up" fragment come in the way of time better spent, for example spent on studying fair and coherent teachings. They might do us good. So we make as little as we can of the fragmented teachings of Jesus in the four canonical gospels and all the other gospels and documents from the early church of forgery on forgery.

Buddha's main ideas form a coherent whole. There are similar teachings in Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism). Buddhism and Hinduism teach proficiency in yoga first and mainly.

Five sections about stupid fragmenting follow:

1. Judas Killed in Two Ways, the Bible Tells

Death of Judas, Two Bible Versions There are two New Testament versions of how Judas died. Is there a right version, one may come to wonder. In the New Testament, Jesus promised to send the Spirit of Truth to the apostles. Acts says they got it, but - different versions of how Judas died are in the Bible anyhow, and forgeries too.

It implies that regardless of a gospel promise about sending a Ghost of Truth, a Faithful Reminder, and so on, very many and differing gospel versions were produced, and among the texts that were later singled out and edited to serve as the New Testament, there are two different versions on how Judas Iscariot died. Ancient New Testament editors did not edit the wrong version(s) away. Either "they killed him twice" in those books, or somebody who perhaps did not have any reminding Truth-Spirit on board, was another early church falsifier, or someone trusting a lot too much in rumours.

Are wrong data sanctified by the Bible? Say no. "Truth above Bible forgery" is a fit attitude for scholars. But alas, the fate of some truth-seeking clergymen in history was grim, due to persecutions by officials and the Church. (WP, "Jan Hus")

2. Forbidden Teachings of Jesus.

The Forbidden Teachings of Jesus are in all the gospels, as Jesus withheld his teachings and minstry from non-Jews, with few exceptions (Matthew 15:24; 10:4-10). So either respect the man and trust his words or fall into nastiness for calling him "Lord, Lord" and not doing as he says, finally to be condemned to hell by him" (Luke 6:46-49; Matthew 7:21-23 )? As good luck would have it for a lot of religious hypocrites, he says his teachings are for Jews only (Vermes 2012). So it could in the end be wise not to try to ride teachings that don't belong to you, like a dead horse that is not your own horse.

3. Sordid Mustard Teachings

UHA Mustard is a not a very big plant and does not grow into a tree. There are no branches to perch on there. The mustard seed is not the smallest garden seed either. Flax seeds and sesamum seeds are smaller, and many others.

Mustard and Obviously Wrong Teachings of Jesus The Greek at the time of Jesus and earlier were fond of mustard. There are different sorts of mustard, black mustard (Brassica nigra and white mustard (Brassica alba). However, the teachings of Jesus about mustard are largely at fault, at least in the current translations of the array of possibly falsified but many Bible citations about it. [See Matthew 13:31-32; 17:21; cf. Mark 4:30-32; Luke 13:18-19; 17:5-6]

Now, the mustard itself is not known for any of the faith feats Jesus that goes into, but is quite a "must" with hot dogs. Further, it is not known for uprooting trees and planting them anywhere else, or for moving mountains.

Is that staggering in a real world? See if anybody around has had the marks of faith that Jesus talks of. They should be able to do greater things than massing bible slogans and hypocrites and demonaics. The devil - not Jesus - deceives and leads astray if he can, says Jesus. You should not be led astray by any false and misleading bible teachings either.

Some say that the data of Jesus about mustard, which allow for double-checking, were wrong, but his largely figurative information about heaven, which is difficult to find out of first-hand, are right. We cannot all be like them.

At any rate, you can prefer sound biology teachings and common sense over and above erroneous doctrine. Appreciate fair and fit evidence, for your future good too.

4. On Loans: The Pancreator, Developed Church Rituals and Monasticism

The three things are not original features among followers of Jesus and in the first church.

Monasticism as a movement in the early church rose in Egypt some centuries AD. Why is SRF led by Hindu monks and nuns when monks and nuns appear nowhere in the "Christianity" of Jesus? Because it is not forbidden there. [Ebu "Christianity"]

Moreover, there was no Christianity of Jesus. Christianity came later and changed as it grew and got dominance. It is still changing as it goes away from original decrees, and does it by leaders-and-groups agreements. A nice indication is:

When Christians got power in the Roman empire after some centuries, Jesus was put on the Emperor's throne, so to speak, as Pantocrator (all-ruling majesty). Christians also agreed on serving as soldiers to keep the church as the Roman state's religion - the old pacificism of turning the other cheek was bartered away for worldly influence. These things were formally cemented before AD 400. And the church took over lots of lithurgical elements from current paganism in the Roman Empire too. [Study the facts].

5. Ritualised and Crucified

The Gentiles caused intense debate in the 40s AD, indicating that Jesus had given no unambiguous directive in the matter, says Encyclopedia Britannica:

Gospel sayings that make the Jews' refusal to recognise Jesus' authority as the ground for extending the Kingdom of God to the Gentiles must, therefore, have been cast by the early community. [EB "Christianity"]

It is known that the last few passages in the last chapter of Matthew, those that bring the missionary command, is added to the gospel much later, and is most likely forged. [Joseph Wheeless shows how]

The apostle Paul wanted to pass the gospel to the non-Jewish world without exclusive and distinctive Jewish ceremonies. However, Christian Jews disapproved of it. They represented the "Christianity of Jesus" more, it may be suspected, for the work of Paul was considered an affront to Jewish traditionalism. He was called an unprincipled trimmer.

Further, the authority of the earliest church lay either in the kinsmen of Jesus or in those whom he had commissioned as apostles and missionaries. The Jerusalem church under James, the brother of Jesus, was the mother church.

Paul viewed the crucifixion of Jesus as the supreme redemptive act - but see if it holds water. If it be true, why did millions of martyrs have to suffer and die instead of enjoying life and God? And why did not anybody - Jesus, his Eli-father, and all others involved - remember to "mumbo-jumbo" two goats yearly? The scapegoating was instituted to redeem the Lord's people year by year, and given for all time to come, it says. [Leviticus 16]

[Aaron] is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites - all their sins - and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place. [Lev 16:21-22]

This is to be a lasting ordinance for you . . . on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins . . . it is a lasting ordinance . . . This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites." And it was done, as the Lord commanded Moses. [Lev 16:29-34]

Paul's doctrine that the gospel represents liberation from the Mosaic Law created difficulties at Jerusalem, where the church was headed by a brother of Jesus, James, and the circle of the intimate disciples of Jesus. James was the primary authority for the Christian Jews, and the letter of James opposes Paul's anti-law interpretations of the doctrine of justification by faith. Further, all the gospels record how Jesus commissioned Peter as the leader of the twelve apostles. Peter seems to have held some middle position between James and Paul.

The church had a very negative attitude toward other religions, and soon included among them the religion that Jesus grew up in and addressed with "my teachings and concerns are for Jews only" (Matthew 15:24, 10:4-10; Vermes 2012.)

All forms of paganism were disregarded at first. It included the religions of Isis, Attis, Adonis, and Mithra and also ancient cults of Greece and Rome. Like the Jews, the Christians were opposed to syncretism. But what did really happen? Christianity incorporated a whole lot of elements from paganism, while Jewish Christianity declined. [More].

Further, at any time in the 100s or 200s, Christians could find themselves the object of unpleasant attention. Before the 300s AD, worship was in private houses. [EB, "Christianity"]

Jesus did not teach Christianity or monasticism; he taught followers and never called himself "Messiah" or "Christ" either. The title Messiah means the "oil-anointed one", stemming from 1 Samuel 10, and shows that Hebrew kings were originally appointed to be God's punishment to the people. [1 Samuel 8; 1 Sam 10:1]

Monastics separate themselves from a general society. Christian monasticism developed from hermits, mostly Egyptians. Celibacy might not have been part of that early monastic community. Also, in the "christianity of Jesus" there are no monastics at all. [EB "monasticism"]

Jesus in the gospels also said no to false Christs [Mark 13:21-23; Matthew 24:23-25]; and no to having many masters [Matthew 23:7-9], no to other masters and teachers than himself, and so on. But what did he know? His gardener skills are rudimentary, his teachings about how to raise the son of man, barnasha, are into something - however, how to do it with skill is given elsewhere.

This is not well enough taught: John 18:19-21 versus Matthew 13:11-17.

Christianity started as a tense sect, an offshoot of Judaism. Later-written gospel teachings and other writings are full of elements that engender controversy, and sectarian divisions, not unity. Forgeries were common, as Bart D. Ehrman has shown in some of his books. Subjugations, religious warfare and other forms of cruelty are hallmarks of Christianity in the light of history.

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A Strange Plethora

Dozens of "all sorts of" gospel versions are around. The earliest records of the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John appear within eighty years after the death of Jesus Christ. Among Nag Hammadi documents uncovered in Egypt in the 1940s, there were more gospels and other gospel versions than the four (Vermes 2010b). Elaine Pagels comments:

If [church leaders] suppressed so much of early Christian history, what else don't we know about? What else is there to be known? . . . As a historian, I think it’s a really important question because the answer means a great deal.

Can anyone be certain that the gospel accounts included in the New Testament are authentic and authoritative? No, concludes the Bible scholar Geza Vermes, author of The Authentic Gospel (2005), after decades of investigations. Can we be sure that leaving out some of these additional accounts was not goofing around according to strategy? See how many are left out apart from the four canonical gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John - gospels that might have several hypothetic sources. "Hypothetic" means guessed at:

There are gnostic gospels: of Thomas (1st to mid 2nd century); of Marcion; of Basilides (ca 120 to 140 AD) of Truth (Valentinian) (mid 2nd century); of the Four Heavenly Realms (mid 2nd century, in the form of a dialogue between Jesus and his disciples); of Mary (2nd century); of Judas (2nd century; the Greek Gospel of the Egyptians (second quarter of the 2nd century); the gospel of Philip; the Pseudo-Gospel of the Twelve; and the Gospel of Perfection (a poem of the 4th century).

There are Jewish-Christian gospels too: of the Hebrews; of the Nazarenes; of the Ebionites; and of the Twelve.

There are so-called Infancy gospels too - eight of them.

Other Gospels: Gospel of the Lots of Mary (Coptic collection of 37 oracles; ca. A.D. 500)

Partially preserved gospels: Gospel of Peter.

Fragmentary preserved gospels: of Eve; of Mani (3rd century); of the Saviour (also known as the Unknown Berlin gospel) – highly fragmentary 6th-century manuscript); Coptic Gospel of the Twelve (late 2nd century Coptic language work.

Reconstructed gospels: Secret Gospel of Mark - suspect; Gospel of Matthias.

Lost gospels (they are mentioned in other works): Gospel of Cerinthus (ca. 90–120 AD); of Apelles ( mid-to-late 2nd century); of Valentinus; of the Encratites; of Andrew; of Barnabas; of Bartholomew; of Lucius; of Merinthus; and besides an unknown number of other Gnostic gospels not cited by name; Gospel of the Adversary of the Law and the Prophets; Memoirs of the Apostles – Lost narrative of the life of Jesus, mentioned by Justin Martyr.

"Fragments of possibly unknown or lost (or existing) gospels" include: Papyrus Egerton 2 (late 2nd-century manuscript); Fayyum Fragment; Oxyrhynchus Papyri (the source text is probably mid 2nd century); Gospel of Jesus' Wife (4th century at the earliest); Papyrus Berolinensis: Papyrus Cairensis (6th–7th century Greek fragment); Papyrus Merton 51; Strasbourg Fragment – Fragment of a lost gospel, probably related to Acts of John.

Medieval gospels: of the Seventy; of Nicodemus; of Barnabas.

(Source: Wikipedia, "List of Gospels")

Thus, there is an unknown amount of differing gospels, but at any rate dozens of them.

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Slavery and Drudgery

Jesus talks in one place of binding the strong one and taking his house [Matthew 12;29-30, 33].

Is it a description of prescription? That can be hard to decide on. "When in doubt, win the trick (Edmund Hoyle). The golden rule offers help against tricks. "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Toráh; the rest is the explanation; go and learn it." [Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a]

The hard, slave-taking God of the Old Testament got a son through an angel against the Mosaic Law, his own Law. It says unmarried women with illegitimate children must be stoned, or similar. The illegitimate child grew up to talk of robbery, which is violence and theft. Jesus vouched for slavery, which tends to be rooted on robbery of formerly free persons, and continuing in that. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them [Matthew 5:17]." And that Law says such as, "Keep the Canaanite slave forever [Leviticus 25:46]."

Jesus did not fulfil all the prophets at all. For example, the prophet Jeremiah says, "Everyone is senseless and without knowledge." [Jeremiah 10:14]. The little example says Jesus had to be everyone, senseless and without knowledge to fulfil at least that prophet passage. As it is, the very few passages he seems to welcome are figurative and do not describe him well, if at all, since detail in them does not fit him. But we leave the prophet bluffs about Jesus aside here.

Is there anything better than a Law where slavery (bullying) is instituted and regulated [Exodus 21 ff etc]? It depends on the living. Earlier, proficiency in marauding with slave-taking brought Vikings and Israelites alike a long way into some promising land. To many Norsemen it was Normandie, to Hebrews it was not. In their case, sources differ. The Bible speaks of slaughter, slavetaking and holocausts, as seen in the book of Joshua. [Josh 10:40,42] But bible archeologists tell there is no evidence of Joshua's campaigns.

What archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. [And] the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And . . . the God of Israel, YHWH, had a female consort and . . . the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai." - University archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog

Accordingly, we should face we might read of more than one fictitious Bible holocausts. The Israelites of said holocausts killed minor children and cattle, and destroyed many fine trees. And their Yahweh decided to have the Israelites killed too; various passages in the Old Testament say so. How successful was he?

There was slavery in the Bible before the Law of Moses, and slavery in the Old Testament was instituted and regulated by Yahweh, we read [Exodus 21 ff]. Jesus and Paul don't say no to it, contrary to the Golden Rule (above and elsewhere). Examples:

The Law: "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod . . . he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. [Exodus 21:20-21]

Jesus: "Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave - [Matt 20:26-27]

The apostle Paul: "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything." [Titus 2:9]

As for the "Keep the Canaanite slave forever [Lev 25:46]," it is listen among the "613 good things to do" the mitzvot for Jews. A theoretical complications appears: Judging from artefacts, Bible archeologists think Hebrews were Canaanites. Who is to be a slave, then?

The Stone Lessons: "Concepts do not always fit," or "There is not always a way out"

Jesus does not specify the size or shape of the needle in one of his saying for Jews only, in one of those "teachings" he expressly forbade non-Jews to get, as Geza Vermes summarises (2010:37,41). It boils down to this: There are good and in part far better teachings than his, teachings that are not forbidden non-Jews.

As a matter of courtesy to all non-Jews, the fit response to barbaric gospel teachings and that the gospel teachings are for Jews only, we may just cut them out.

Consider how a vast amount of prayers go unanswered. Pray for a shower of rain in the desert to test it out repeatedly to make the study fit for a research paper. Remember, one swallow doesn't make a summer; one shower is not thought to ahve proof value, scientifically speaking. Have at least twenty-four separate tests to eliminate the most severe errors of conclusions, to show you are onto something.

Or test-ask God to create a stone that is so big that he cannot lift it. Conduct decent tests. Find facts that matter and don't be taken in by all sorts of big words. It could be good for you. [Compare]

Luckily, brutish, self-molestation commandments of Jesus were for Jews only (Matthew 15:24; 10:4-10). It should not be wrong to respect that and not recite old forgeries and vagaries of gospels in the dozens.

To be baptised without one's own consent: cruelty

Child baptism tends to be followed up by religious indoctrination and great intolerance to ensure much conformism too. It is a system approach at work, in part served by indoctrination.

Child baptism is opposed to baptising only individuals who personally confess faith in Jesus. Little is agreed on about the very widespread ritual practice of baptising little children.

Child baptism got momentum in medieval times during the reign of Carlemagne, as a means of stability. Infant baptism was a way to incorporate new-born babies into the community by tying them to the current faith.

[Wikipedia, "Infant baptism"]


Bible surveys, Jesus study, Christian teachings, etc., Literature  

Burkett, Delbert, ed. The Blackwell Companion to Jesus.. Chichester, West Sussex: Wiley-Blackwell, 2011.

Buzan, Tony, with Barry Buzan. The Mind Map Book: Unlock Your Creativity, Boost Your Memory, Change Your Life. London: BBC Active /Pearson, 2010.

EB: Encyclopaedia Britannica Online or as a yearly DVD suite. London: Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2015.

EB: Encyclopaedia Britannica - the same as Britannica Online.

Ehrman, Bart D. Forged: Writing in the Name of God: Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are. New York: HarperCollins, 2011.

Ehrman, Bart D. How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee. New York: HarperOne, 2014.

Ehrman, Bart D. Jesus, Interrrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them). New York: HarperCollins, 2009.

Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew. New York: Oxford University Press, 2003.

Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Scriptures: Books That Did Not Make it into the New Testament. New York: Oxford University Press, 2003.

Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why. New York: HarperCollins, 2005.

Ehrman, Bart D. Studies in the Textual Criticism of the New Testament. Leiden: Brill, 2006.

Ehrman, Bart D. The Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament. New York: Oxford University Press, 1993.

Ehrman, Bart D. The Lost Gospel of Judas Icariot: A New Look at Betrayer and Betrayed. New York: Oxford University Press, 2006.

Ehrman, Bart D. The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings. 2nd ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 2000.

Ehrman, Bart D., ed, tr. The Apostolic Fathers. Vol. 1 and 2. London: Harvard University Press, 2003.

Evans-Wentz, Walter Y, ed. The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation or the Method of Realizing Nirvana through Knowing the Mind. London: Oxford University Press, 1968.

Guenther, Herbert. The Teachings of Padmasambhava. Leiden: Brill, 1996.

Gupta, Mahendranath. Rap: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Tr. Swami Nikhilananda. New York: Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Center, 1942.

Hubbard, L. Ron. Din: Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. Copenhagen: Scientology Publications Organization. 1950.

Hubbard, L. Ron. Wha: The Way to Happiness: A Common Sense Guide to Better Living. ABLE International, 1996.
[] Metzger, Bruce M., and Bart D. Ehrman. The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restauration. 4th ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 2005.

Vermes, Geza. The Authentic Gospel of Jesus. London: Penguin, 2005.

Vermes, Geza. The Real Jesus: Then and Now. Minneapolis, MI: Fortress Press, 2010.

Vermes, Geza. The Story of the Scrolls: The Miraculous Discovery and True Significance of the Dead Sea Scrolls. London: Penguin, 2010b.

WP: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Yogananda, Paramahansa. Pa:Autobiography of a Yogi. 11th ed. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1971.

Yogananda, Paramahansa. Ay: Autobiography of a Yogi. 1st ed. New York: Philosophical Library, 1946. Online.

Yogananda, Paramahansa. Say: Sayings of Yogananda. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1958.


Parts on the material in part 1 of "Buddhist Food for Thought" is from Paul Carus. Amitabha. A Story of Buddhist Theology, ch. 8. Chicago: The Open Court Publishing Company, 1906.

There could be material above, based on Dwight Goddard. The Teaching of Buddha, the Buddhist Bible. (1934). Ch 2, "Lay members".

[1] Katzer, Gernot. Black Mustard (Brassica nigra [L.] Koch). 27 Jun 2004. Accessed 6 January 2006.

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