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Jesus and Yahweh, How Are They Really? as fronted by as Sooty albatross
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Salvation is greater than being of the Catholic Church

Jesus and Yahweh described The guru Paramahansa Yogananda /1893-1952) claims that Babaji and Jesus are in "constant communion" and "and have planned the spiritual technique of salvation for this age". However, the salvation that Jesus spoke of, consisted in getting right with God through the Holy Ghost falling on people, one after another or many at the time. That is the salvation that Christians talk of. Besides, salvation by techniques and self-effort is branded as heresy by the Catholic Church, and Babaji's spiritual technique of salvation, kriya yoga, stands for very much self-effort. So how plausible is it that Jesus and Babaji are gurus of kriya yoga together? Are Christs and so on in constant communion? May I suggest taht Jesus talked against future, false Christs, and add, "Don't believe everything you are told."

As for communion and similar, Jesus claims he and the Father are one - that is, the God of the Old Testament is both his father and one with him. So how is he? A killer. But that is not all he is. Jesus also tells that his Father is greater than all. [John 10:30], but there are so many others who should claim to be united with the Lord in spirit - [1 Cor 6:17]. In another place Jesus also says the Father is greater than himself: "The Father is greater than I. [John 14:28]." Does it have to mean greater at killing a lot of swine, inflicting sufferings on followers by far-out commands to embrace poverty and submitting to robbers and bullies - such express commands no ones really follows nowadays anyway?

The Father's couple of goats were missing

What stands out in the New Testament, is that the God that Jesus claimed to be his Father and also "your father and God" in John 20:17, was not a good planner when it came to sacrificing Jesus for Jews, as we are told in the gospels. Most Jews refused and rejected Jesus and had him executed. They preferred to let a robber, Barrabbas, live instead. That was an indication of the value that the authorities put on Jesus in his day. Besides, a couple of goats should have sufficed to save God's people on a yearly basis [Leviticus 16]; and then there would have been no need to sacrifice Jesus at all - unless there is a bluff too much in the Bible, of course. There is.

Anyway, a killer says his or her victims are less important than himself or herself. And there is where the problem lies in so many cases. The killer consider his chosen victims as his own "chosen ones", by the way. It is unresolved how much we should put into that.

Here is the quite alarming part: If God tells you that you are his chosen one, "God's people", your life is endangered. That is how it was in the Old Testament, the Bible tells, and so it was for followers in the New Testament and on from there too. Moreover, if the "net" of Jesus is thrown at you, he considers you an ill sheep, whereas healthy people do not need him, he says [Matthew 9:12; John 10:27]. Stay firm, then, and surpass Jesus and hangovers. Do not underestimate the evidence that is mounting.

Not much sentimentality

  • The God to fear: The Bible's God is a God to fear as the phrase "fear of God" refers to. "The wicked do not fear God [Eccl 8:13]." " Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [:duty] of man [Eccl 12:13]."

    "Fear of God" is found in nine places in the New International Version of the Old Testament, and "fear God" is used eight times in addition. It is also used four times in the New Testament, such as in Peter [1 Peter 2:17]. Why fear the Bible's God? Is it because he is vindictive, able to discard his promises, kill the righteous and unrighteous together, or are there other significant reasons too? Read on, and you will find the things I bring to market.

  • God of vengeance, persecutions, and hate: Jehovah is marked by vengeance, he persecutes and hates some [Exodus 20:5], shows partiality and favouritism: "I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [:generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments. [Exodus 20:5-6]" That is a lot to hold account of.

  • God of indiscriminate killing at times: Marked by indiscriminate killing the Bible's God is not fair in that he may kill both righteous and unrighteous ones: "This is what the Lord says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked." [Ezekiel 21:3]." Many who are fond of thinking that he kills only unrighteous ones, should have studied that passage.

  • God of massacres: Eager for ruthless massacres and holocausts: Joshua, 2 Samuel, and many prophets show just how eager God of the Bible is for holocausts too: "The living God is among you and . . . he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites. [Josh 3:10]" But all were not driven out. King Solomon later enrolled many of these peoples as slaves. Quote:
    All the people left from the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites (these peoples were not Israelites), that is, their descendants remaining in the land, whom the Israelites could not exterminate - these Solomon conscripted for his slave labour force, as it is to this day. [1 Kings 9:20-21]

    The source says the bible's God is for Violent Warfare (which may be of little avail in the long run, however): When Joshua marched up against five Amorite kings, "the Lord said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid of them; I have given them into your [massacring] hand. The Lord threw them into confusion before Israel. Israel pursued them along the road and cut them down all the way - As they fled before Israel on the road, the Lord hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky, and more of them died from the hailstones than were killed by the swords. [Josh 10:8-42, passim]

    As for survivors, "Joshua did to them as the Lord had directed, he and his army totally destroyed them, not sparing anything that breathed, and he burned up town after town and had kings killed", thirty-one kings in all. Some were hanged, and no Geneva Convention against cruel killing of prisoners was in force, as you can see. [Josh 8:24-25, 28-29; also 11:8-9, 11-15; 12:7-24]

    Most often God willed
    that men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and
    donkeys should be killed. [Josh 6:21]

    The reason why King Saul lost the Bible God's favour, got insane, and was killed, was that he did not kill off Amalekites as God wanted him to, and was not very exact about the "looting business" either [1 Samuel 15:10,18]. How to loot in the right way is a great theme of the Bible.

    But there is more to this: Archeological findings go against many of the deeds of Joshua, which must be inventions of Bible writers - not true to fact, that is.

    [Ai, a] Canaanite city-state that Joshua and his army of Israelites are credited with laying waste . . . has been discovered in what is now the Palestinian territory of the West Bank. But when archaeologists date the destruction, they discover it occurred about 2200 B.C. They date the destruction of Jericho to 1500 B.C., and Hazor's to about 1250 B.C. Clearly, these city-states were not destroyed at the same time; they range over nearly a thousand years. In fact, of the 31 sites the Bible says that Joshua conquered, few showed any signs of war.

    . . . most of the large Canaanite towns that were supposed to have been destroyed by these Israelites were either not destroyed at all or destroyed by others. [Link]

  • God of carrot and whip: The twin blessings and curses that run through old parts of the Bible are in short: "Do as I tell and things will go well. Do not and you will come to an end." [Josh 8:34] But despite all that, in the psalms and other places there are repeated laments over how wicked ones prosper, and not only there.

  • God of slaves: Good at slavery: "If a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food. [Lev 22:11]

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life . . ." [Lev 25:44-46].

    It is worth noting that neither Jesus nor the apostle Paul went against slavery either. [Titus]

  • God of sacrificing innocents: The God of instituted scapegoating: He institutes slavery, scapegoating, and stands for. His brutish righteousness of sacrifices and slavery involves victimising, and guess what? Of faultless animals. His consecrated ones might also be wiped out, it says. Very interestingly, devoting things and persons to the God of the Bible is an irrevocable giving over of them, often by completely destroying them. [See eg Josh 7:1; also 7:11, 12, 13 and 15]. If that is a blessing, what is a curse? You don't know that, do you?

    Rigorous executions permeate the whole set-up, and the "religious cult" is not unlike a butcher's shop - there is much shedding of blood going on, perhaps back-stage.

  • God of unkempt promises: His promises may not turn into anything. Think of how he promised a certain territory to a deeply asleep [!] Abra(ha)m and his descendants: after three thousand years or so they have not got all of it. The Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites. [Genesis 15:16-20]"

    They still lack it. And when Joshua was old he was told what land remained: "The Lord said to him, "There are still very large areas of land to be taken over. This is the land that remains: all the regions of the Philistines and Geshurites: from the Shihor River on the east of Egypt to the territory of Ekron on the north, all of it counted as Canaanite (the territory of the five Philistine rulers in Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron - that of the Avvites); from the south, all the land of the Canaanites, from Arah of the Sidonians as far as Aphek, the region of the Amorites, the area of the Gebalites; and all Lebanon to the east, from Baal Gad below Mount Hermon to Lebo Hamath." [Josh 13:1-5, passim]

  • God of vacillating greatly: From the time of Moses the Bible's Lord has vacillated whether he should wipe out the Hebrews or not. Those who live, think he chose the latter - [Matthew 10:6; 15:24; Hosea 1:4; 13:9,11; Amos 2:13; 5:2]

    He also found it fit to kill off all the Hebrews at the time of Moses, and said to him,

    "I will strike them down . . . and destroy them, but I will make you into a nation greater and stronger than they."

    Moses replied, "Then the Egyptians will hear about it! And they will tell the inhabitants of this land about it. The nations who have heard this report about you will say,

    "The Lord was not able to bring these people into the land he promised them on oath; so he slaughtered them in the desert." [Num 14:11-16, abr.]

    Moses made God change his mind, and the Hebrews got new chances to give God many, many reasons to regret it as time went by.

We thought you might like to know main characteristics of God Jesus. And why think all his mistakes are old ones? And why think that those who tell they are one with him are much better at heart? That could be stupid.

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Seated on the seat, practise Yoga for the purification of the self. [Bhagavad Gita 6:12]
Guru Rinpoche, or Padmasambhava
Guru Rinpoche, or Padmasambhava

Realise Jesus stands for tyranny. Those who excel in various yogas may realize God (called Brahman, the Divine Ground and so on), free from Jesus and his tyranny (cf. Bible statements and references in the previous chapter). The experience is so overwhelming that it causes fear (to some). (Bhagavad Gita 11:35; 12:1-6).

"A man is known by the company he keeps." Jesus says he is the Son of God, and one with the Father God. That would be the persecutor, slayer, slave-taker and often-hating one. Krishna, on the other hand, says God does not hate, nor do those who get near him.

Krishna and Yogananda teach similar things, and at times somewhat different things - but that would depend on interpretations, perhaps. Further, consider carefully how Krishna can be another guru of Self-Realization Fellowship. In the Bhagavad Gita, Sri Krishna teaches the world is real, and demoniacs teach otherwise (Bhagavad Gita 16:7-8). Babaji and Yogananda teach the world is unreal.

Also, Krishna asks you in the Bhagavad Gita to sacrifice to Vishnu. And Vishnu has no spotless reputation (he too). Still Vishnu-devotion, or Vishnuism, dominates Hinduism [Ebu "Vaishnavism"]. [Bhagavad Gita 3:8-9]

Do not overlook that Babaji also says in the Autobiography of a Yogi: "The divine realm extends to the earthly, but the latter [is] illusory". [Autobiography of a Yogi, ch. 34]. This overlooks that "Illusion is itself illusory," as Ramana Maharsi says. He also asserts, "Illusion or Divine . . . must be within the Self". [Ramana quotes]

The soul that can be destroyed cannot be destroyed? Yogananda and other disciples of Babaji say the soul is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Jesus on the other hand says the soul can be destroyed [Matthew 10:28].

These guides in higher teachings do not agree on core teachings, so how can they remain united? In constant communion, even? It is due to illusion, is the teachings . . . Alas to that.

How many are called by Jesus to surpass Jesus one way or another! If you are spiritually or mentally unsound, you may think it is best to mass like a sheep in a flock. God likens himself to a shepherd and his chosen ones his sheep. Sheep, they walk on all four, hardly ever minding to tell that those who are healthy do not need Jesus and his Father who are one [Matthew 9:12; John 10:27]. Also consider how fine you can get in the light of John 14:12: You are called to surpass Jesus there. Say Ahh! and Ahhmen to that, after all (the rest).

Do not let fools in power take you in. Remain healthy. Mind the health concepts.

Awareness of stages of life should be useful. From being centred on gold try to focus on yourself through the life stages. They often are: studenthood, householdership, and retirement, perhaps also asceticism). Have a life that is in main outline adjusted to them, and most of the stages of Erik H. Erikson.

Buddha delineates much essential and practically useful in this process, which can be called "turning the wheel of proper things to do (dharma)". Do what is appropriate in the stages of life, and you may benefit profoundly.

Binding others is far from freeing them. It could be high time to question whether scapegoating and butchering innocent animals really expiates sins for no good reason, and whether marriage promises imposed on you are as clean as they look. They are not. It shows up. They aim at societal order and control by binding two people (or more) more and more severely as time goes by.

Inconsistencies are found. Many Yogananda sayings do not conform to the Christian message. And Jesus had taught his disciples secrets about heaven, but had told nothing in secret, the Bible says . . .

Make a stand. Here is one: Alla blommor tjänar inte till kryddekvast (All flowers won't do as herbs) [Swedish]. One has to climb the mountains for some of the rare species that exist. Not all flowers grow in the neighbourhood. Maybe you have to exert yourself to get to some of the thoughts described.

Not Caught by Whoring Plots

Monasticism as taught by Jesus? If you think it is better to be healthy than sick, and better to be all right than unwell, do not want to be included in a flock of ill sheep for many odd purposes. You know that nuns are heading SRF today?

Paul says women should remain silent in the churches. Marriage was not condemned. And in the "Christianity of Jesus" there are no monastics at all. Moreover, monasticism did not exist in the early Church, and appeared as late as the 300s CE. Guess the SRF nuns who are heading the SRF Church may feel more for Hindu teachings than many of the regulations of Paul, while they obliquely go on claiming to stand for "original Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ" and so on, in the SRF Aims and Ideals. Soap exists.

If you say you stand for "original Christianity as taught by Mshikha Jeshua" you also know how to say "Messiah Jesus" in Aramaic, since that seems original . . . You should make a stand . . .

[www.religionfacts.com/christianity/history/monasticism.htm]

Say no to getting tricked, and to uncalled for salvation for all the good reasons. There is no purpose in saving someone who does not need it. Jesus said it plainly, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick . . . "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." [Matthew 9:12-13]

There are many other tricks around. Don't fall for a single one.

Scapegoating by all means, again and again. The Jerusalem church under James, the brother of Jesus, was the mother church. But did these people ever strive to drive a flock of goats into the wilderness to help Jesus? After all, his Father had prescribed a "yearly cure" for his people based on scapegoating. The Bible specifies it for you: "[Aaron] is to [state] the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites - all their sins - and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place. [Leviticus 16:21-22]

This is to be a lasting ordinance for you . . . you will be clean from all your sins . . . it is a lasting ordinance . . . This is to be a lasting ordinance . . , as the Lord commanded Moses." [Leviticus 16:29-34]. Accordingly, Jesus did not have to "atone for all".

Many prophet sayings may be abused, and some remain unfulfilled. How could Jesus hope to fulfil these prophet sayings? "The Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women . . the Lord will make their scalps bald. The Lord will snatch away their finery . . . the headdresses and ankle chains and sashes . . . the signet rings and nose rings . . . and mirrors . . . Instead of fragrance there will be a stench . . . instead of well-dressed hair, baldness . . . instead of beauty, branding. [Isaiah 3:17-24, passim]

The Lord is angry with all nations . . . He will totally destroy [their armies], he will give them over to slaughter . . . their dead bodies will send up a stench; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved [It should take some time, though -] . . . The desert owl and screech owl will possess [the land of Edom] . . . nettles and brambles [will overrun] her strongholds. [Isa 34:2-12, passim]

In this chapter of Isaiah the universe collapses, but desert owls and brambles go on anyway - Did Jesus fulfil any of it? Don't be silly.

In passing, the observable universe contains about 30 to 70 sextillion stars organized in more than 80 billion galaxies that form clusters and superclusters. Alan Guth thinks the entire Universe could be at least 1023 to 1026 times as large as the observable universe. [Wikipedia, s.v., "Observable universe"]

Plotters exist. Who are they? Persons from outside Christianity who claim to be descendants of David through Joseph, who was not their real father either, are they plotters?

Some talk with two tongues - see if it pays. Jesus communicated two different things. In Sanhedrin he says he had taught openly. In Matthew 13 he speaks of imparted secrets. The question is whether he imparted secrets without telling about them.

Run. "Run, little boy," cried Hitchcock. "Run for your life!" Yogananda tells Babaji is aligned to the God of the Bible through Jesus - are they partners in crime and terror? Ah, yes, running can be good for you, as walking and other forms of quite moderate exercise . . .

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Jesus, Yahweh, Jehovah, described, LITERATURE  

Ay: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 1st ed. New York: Theosophical, 1946. Online. [oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk12.html]

Ebu: Encyclopaedia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica 2006 Ultimate Reference Suite DVD. London: Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2006.

Pa: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 11th ed. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1971.

Mmb: Buzan, Tony, with Barry Buzan. The Mind Map Book. Rev. ed. London: BBC Books, 1995.

Wha: Hubbard, Lafayette Ronald. The Way to Happiness: A Common Sense Guide to Better Living. Np: ABLE International. 1996. On-line.
[www.thewaytohappiness.org/lndex.htm]

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