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Jesus in India: Where's the Evidence?
In 1887 Notovich came to Kashmir during one of several journeys to the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint called "Issa", who died and was buried in a tomb in Kashmir itself. However, the monastery Jesus is alleged to have studied at in India was not built until the 1500s, and there is no independent evidence confirming the story. Maybe Notovitch's Unknown Life of Jesus was fictional: Intimidated by a refutation by the highly esteemed F. Max Müller, Notovich backed down and changed his story, he began to back-pedal. Not only Max Muller, but also J. Archibald Douglas, and Edgar J. Goodspeed have all refuted the legend. Below are details. F. Max MüllerAmong other things Muller also questioned the great liberty Notovitch took in editing and arranging the alleged verses. Muller said this is something no reputable scholar would have done.
J. Archibald Douglas,When asked if he was aware of any book in any Buddhist monastery in Tibet pertaining to the life of Issa, he said: "I have never heard of [a manuscript] which mentions the name of Issa, and it is my firm and honest belief that none such exists. I have inquired of our principal Lamas in other monasteries of Tibet, and they are not acquainted with any books or manuscripts which mention the name of Issa." When portions of Notovitch's book were read to the lama, he responded, "Lies, lies, lies, nothing but lies!" The interview was written down and witnessed by the lama, Douglas, and the interpreter, and on June 3, 1895, was stamped with the official seal of the lama. However, several people have gone to Hemis, where several monks purportedly have confirmed that the documents alleged by Notovich existed. Such takes are hardly official, though, compared to the attested or verified ones.
Edgar J. Goodspeed
LaterBut the stories have surfaced again in New Age circles, and gurus too have taught that he did visit -Did Jesus visit Tibet? It is possible, assertions are many, but there is little significant evidence that has come down to us. "Anything is possible, but what is probable?" - F.C. Baur.
http://www.westarinstitute.org/Periodicals/4R_Articles/Tibet/tibet.html Can You Disbelieve the Guru? That Becomes the Question to SomeSoggieme Mora, a former member of SRF, writes that Yogananda and SRF teach that Jesus went to India, and they say that the book "The Life of Issa" is true. In the book there are Buddhist monasteries too, as this sample will show:At last he reached the pass, and in the Ladak city, Leh, he was received with favour by the monks, the merchants, and the men of low estate.A Tibetan historian fills in: Buddhism did not take hold in Tibet until the reign of Srong Tsen Gampo, middle of the seventh century. There was no Buddhist temple in Lhasa when Jesus was alive.The first Buddhist monastery in Tibet, Leh, was built in 637-647 AD. Yogananda did not disprove Notovich's story, which was disproved even when Notovich was alive . . . Buffalo SayingsThese are Paramahansa Yogananda Quotations and Extracts, Alas"While the injured man was recovering, the h[e]ad Lama asked him what he wanted. He said: "Read to me the papyrus scrolls!" From these sacred scrolls, he secured conclusive evidence that Jesus . . . conferred with the Masters on Yoga and great problems of human upliftment, living with them at the Monastery; but at the age of fifteen, it is said, they tried to get Him married, so he fled. I don't blame him." - Paramahansa Yogananda
"Jesus Christ gave His secret message in India, first of all. If you love Jesus, you must have some consideration for the Orientals . . . We should not be proud of being Americans". - Paramahansa Yogananda
"Hidden away in a Monastery of Tibet, priceless records lie." - Paramahansa
Yogananda Yogananda Elaborates and Draws on a HoaxYogananda recounts made-up stories, presenting them as true. How wrong can it be when his fellowship adds to the misery by an attitude that comes to the fore in a now notarised letter, that they find no fault with his guidelines and that his wisdom flawless? Their doings have been very shameful.All quotations are from Yogananda's lecture "Oriental Christ", delivered at his Mt. Washington Center and published in East-West March-April, 1930 Vol. 4-4, later also in the collection Man's Eternal Quest [Ak] Yogananda definitely vouches for what was a hoax book of Notovitch, and draws on it. Many others of some standard do not.
Walnut LoafEskimos eat walrus meat raw or otherwise. They love the blubber in particular, only that it has become highly toxic lately.Let us say I have gone from Walrus Sausages, Walrus Cutlets and Walrus Ribs to Walnut dishes now: "Walnut Loaves", "Walnut Patties", "Walnut Balls", and Walnut Sausages". Yogananda speaks for other sorts of nuts too. Basically, I have organised and processed many points of embittered Yogananda followers, perhaps adding some potato and spices to them, for the sake of taste. Some like it, others do not. But see if you can draw benefit. Since it is easy to get walnuts, there are walnut dishes here on this site. If you are allergetic to walnuts, however, try ground sunflower seeds or other foods rich in essential amino acids (proteins) and which your system stands.
Nutmeat Loaf: A Yogananda Recipe1 cup English walnutsPut nuts, potato, onion and carrot through the food-chopper. Add the rice, milk, tomato juice, chili sauce and the seasonings. Mix well. Turn into a well buttered baking dish and bake one hour in a moderate oven. (350 Fahrenheit.) - Yogananda, from "Food, Health, Intellectual and Spiritual Recipes" in East West, June, 1932 VOL. 4—8. Take heed: We should drop and replace ingredients the organism does not stand. And adjust the mixture to your taste. You can get it better by having a recent and recommendable vegetarian cook-book. WALNUT SAUSAGES: As it is said: "The sausage is divine; only God knows what's inside it." Yogananda's standard counsel is to replace meat with finely ground nuts (that you can stand). Yogananda also says: Nut-meat loaf [can be] made of whole wheat and ground nuts. - Yogananda, "Meatless Coolidge Meals Prescribed by Yogananda", East West, Volume 2 - 2 and 3 - January - April 1927.The Coolidge mentioned was the US President (1923–29) Calvin Coolidge. Yogananda paid him a visit once. It is told of in the same East West issue. About Coolidge: "Despite his reputation, "Silent Cal," as he was called, had a keen sense of humour . . . His wit was displayed in a characteristic exchange with a Washington, D.C., hostess, who told him, "You must talk to me, Mr. President. I made a bet today that I could get more than two words out of you." Coolidge replied, "You lose." [Ebu "Calvin Coolidge"] Eat more ground nuts, rather than too much meat. Don't indulge in very hot or cold drinks. Thus you will avoid colds. Drink more orange juice. - Yogananda, "Message to my Los Angeles Yogoda Students", East West, Volume 1-3 March 1926 - April 1926.There was a man who killed himself on carrot juice; he used to drink ten litres a day. Let us say you already drink a lot of orange juice, and lend ear to "Drink more orange juice". The guess is that you yourself were in part to blame if you indiscriminately followed the "divine dictum" and afterwards died from "more orange juice" - then more and still more. You should know what is the recommended daily allowance, and what is good for you - at least acceptable, average amounts for yourself,. Bear in mind people are different, their internal organs too, and how well each organ system works too. Some major organs may weaken noticably after you get 55-60 years, for example. And some are allergetic to nuts. Make sure you don't lose. see Nac].
Ak: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Man's Eternal Quest. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1975. Ap: Mieder, Wolfgang (main editor), Stewart A. Kingsbury, and Kelsie E. Harder: A Dictionary of American Proverbs. (Paperback) New York: Oxford University Press, 1996. Ay: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 1st ed. New York: Theosophical, 1946. Online. [oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk12.html] Ebu: Encyclopaedia Britannica. Encyclopaedia Britannica 2006 Ultimate Reference Suite DVD. London: Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2006. Nac: Kirschmann, Gayla J., and John D. Kirschmann. Nutrition Almanac. 4th ed. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996. [Newer editions are available] Op: Simpson, John, and Jennifer Speake. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs. 3rd ed. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1998. Pa: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Autobiography of a Yogi. 11th ed. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1971. Say: Yogananda, Paramahansa. Sayings of Yogananda. Los Angeles: Self-Realization Fellowship, 1958. CLICK on 'Literature' for the references of about 2000 works. ANNOTATIONS: Code letters (acronyms and initial words) in square brackets in the text refer to works. Click on 'Literature' to see examples. Page references are put right after code letters. And the abbreviation cf. means "compare". [MORE]. SITE SEARCH: The 'Search' link gives access to dictionaries and more. REFER: Prefer the standard 'location address' on top of the page(s). PILOTING: Note the clickable text links on top of the page. [MORE] DISCLAIMER: Two disclaimers intertwine: [A] [B] © 20022006, Tormod Kinnes. All rights reserved September 2006. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||